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I, Claudius by Robert  Graves
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What is one to do when all around are the menaces of manipulation and murder? If you are Tiberius Claudius Drusus Nero Germanicus, you keep your head down, stay out of the way, and write a scorching history about it. Such is the tale of Robert Grave’s classic I, Claudius, a book that was a major inspiration for George R.R. Martin (it shows) and will surprise nobody to learn is the , the writer of the hit TV show (reading about G’ma Livia murdering and manipulating everyone in Rome makes you realize where Livia Soprano got her name). But, I gotta say, this was a hell of a book to be reading right when a social media trend showing that and found myself being asked at random how often I thought of the Romans and replying ”well pretty much constantly lately...why you ask?�

But you know who else was thinking about the Roman Empire a lot? Tiberius Claudius Drusu...okay you can call him Claudius for short. Though if you were to ask around Rome you’d find he was more �known to my friends and relatives and associates as Claudius the Idiot', or "That Claudius', or 'Claudius the Stammerer', or 'Clau-Clau-Claudius', or at best as ‘Poor Uncle Claudius',� Nobody liked him or took him seriously—even his own mother said he was �too stupid� to love—but being ignored and undervalued can come in handy when anyone with even the hint of desire for power finds themselves poisoned or at the very least plotted against.

We can read this as an underdog tale in a way, and it makes for excellent historical fiction—so much so that it made list. Not bad for a book the author claims he to pay off a debt and broke into two volumes due to strict deadlines. Dense, yet rather readable with plenty of intrigue launching us into a deadly game of power struggles, I, Claudius also has some excellent humor and self-awareness that make for an all-around great read that will completely consume you. Just don’t consume the poisoned figs�

He's as stupid as a donkey - what am I saying? Donkeys are sensible beings by comparison - he's as stupid as ... as ... Heavens, he's as stupid as my son Claudius!
Aww, little buddy Claudius, don’t take it too badly, you’ll be Emperor one day.

I’ll admit that this book took me a bit to get into the groove. It starts pretty slow and covers a LOT of history without making all that much forward progress to where I thought I’d read non-fiction with more bite and excitement to it. I am GLAD I read on because once this picks up it is a relentless stream of people ruining each other’s day and becomes quite the wild ride. Plus we get Caligula being Caligula, and after having read Camus� amazing play about him, I was quite happy to read about him some more. At the center of this all is Claudius who is guided by historians Livy and Pollio to play the fool to stay alive and pursue the life of a historian. As anyone with knowledge of the Roman Empire knows, Claudius will one day become Emperor (his time as ruler is covered in the second book, Claudius the God and His Wife Messalina), something that is as baffling to Claudius even in the face of prophecy as it is to anyone around him. Though if he becomes Emperor �at least I'll be able to make people read my books now.� So, win win I guess.

Augustus ruled the world, but Livia ruled Augustus.
Much of the novel involves the long plotting of Livia, wife of Augustus, to ensure her lineage takes the throne and manipulating Augustus to get what she wants. Cross Livia and cross over to the land of the dead. Or get accused of horrible crimes, be exiled to an island, eventually freed, and THEN get dead. She can wait, she will get you. �Livia: a blight upon the nation as a mother, a blight upon the house of Caesar as a stepmother� wrote Roman historian Tacitus, and so began the stories of Empress Livia the great villain and serial poisoner, an angle that Claudius is all too happy to represent here. Claudius begins this book asserting he will be true to the facts, even at the expense of his own family members and will not leave out any details. And so we get a brutal account where almost nobody goes unscathed under Claudius� watchful eye which, due to his status of being a fool, grants him a lot of access to the goings-on. But for real, every time he shows up someone is all ‘ah hell not that dipshit again,� so you can’t really blame him for raking them over the coals of canonized history.
There are two different ways of writing history: one is to persuade men to virtue and the other is to compel men to truth.

Perhaps my favorite aspect of the book is how self-aware it is. There are the metafictional aspects that the book you hold in your hand is supposed to quite literally be written by Claudius in a dialect he assumed would be more readable for future generations—he is given a prophecy at the start that gives the publication year of Graves� novel as the date when his words will be discovered—and declares he will leave the manuscript somewhere it can be easily found. �For my experience as a historian is that more documents survive by chance than by intention.� But most interesting is the way the novel frequently discusses issues of writing history, both as fact or fiction. Take Pollio’s statement for instance:
He has you there, Livy, on your weakest spot. You credit the Romans of seven centuries ago with impossibly modern motives and habits and speeches. Yes, it’s readable all right, but it’s not history.

This fallacy of “� often mars historical fiction or commentary. One might wonder if, by giving that a shoutout, Graves felt he could sneak in a few of the slights against Germans that appear in the novel, him fresh out of WWI and all, such as when Claudius writes �Never trust a German out of your sight, but never be afraid of him when you have him face to face.� Graves can be forgiven for historical errors, as he is not trying to pass it off as history but openly writing a novel. But historians have to be much more careful, as the discussion between Pollio and Livy shows, with Claudius picking Pollio as his model for Pollio’s �accuracy and diligence.
But there’s also a serious matter in question and that is, the proper writing of history. It may be that I have made mistakes. What historian is free from them? I have not, at least, told deliberate falsehoods: you’ll not accuse me of that. Any legendary episode from early historical writings which bears on my theme of the ancient greatness of Rome I gladly incorporate in the story: though it may not be true in factual detail, it is true in spirit. If I come across two versions of the same episode I choose the one nearest my theme, and you won’t find me grubbing around Etruscan cemeteries in search of any third account which may flatly contradict both � what good would that do?�

“It would serve the cause of the truth,� said Pollio gently. “Wouldn’t that be something?�

“And if by serving the cause of truth we admit our revered ancestors to have been cowards, liars and traitors? What then?�

I’ll leave this boy to answer the question. He’s just starting in life. Come on, boy, answer it!

Now, one might question how accurate (within the fictional world of Graves) Claudius truly is? Is he trying to vilify Livia more than necessary, why does he spout off about Cato the Censor, what private grudges make their way into the pages to become history the way he saw it? I found all this a rather clever and fun texturing to the novel, one Graves no doubt was aware plays with history in a way that would probably trick less discerning readers into assuming it was factual, the truth and fiction so tightly blended.
So if intrigue and murder are your thing, or if you find yourself thinking about the Roman Empire more than most would expect, I, Claudius is a book for you. Honestly, I wouldn’t have thought it was one for me, but that's why I love having a book club because I end up reading books I would have never picked up on my own and end up really enjoying them. This is quite the wild ride of historical fiction through the history of Roman emperors and Graves can certainly write with such intelligence and engagement that was hard to put down. Just don’t piss off Livia.

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Reading Progress

September 14, 2023 – Started Reading
September 14, 2023 – Shelved
September 14, 2023 – Shelved as: historical_fiction
September 14, 2023 – Shelved as: rome
September 14, 2023 – Finished Reading
September 17, 2023 – Shelved as: times-100-best

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Marquise Hey now, my dear, you forgot ol' Claudius' full name is Tiberius Claudius Drusus Nero Germanicus Britannicus This-And-That-And-Yonder! :P

Excellent review, Steven, I'm glad that you liked this. It's of my faves of all time. The BBC mini-serials with Derek Jacobi and a buncha greats is also superb! Watch it if you haven't already. :)


Marius Very good book.


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "Hey now, my dear, you forgot ol' Claudius' full name is Tiberius Claudius Drusus Nero Germanicus Britannicus This-And-That-And-Yonder! :P

Excellent review, Steven, I'm glad that you liked this. It..."


Haha the most important Part! Ooo good to know, I’ve been meaning to check that out and definitely will now! Derek Jacobi is a perfect casting choice.


Marquise Agreed! It has a stellar cast for all and every one of the roles, which is rare, and they did wonders with such a low budget. Hope you'll love it as much as I did. :)


s.penkevich Marius wrote: "Very good book."

So good! I can’t stop thinking about this one


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "Agreed! It has a stellar cast for all and every one of the roles, which is rare, and they did wonders with such a low budget. Hope you'll love it as much as I did. :)"

Woah I just looked up the cast and that is an amazing cast. John Hurt and Patrick Stewart (I just realized it’s where the meme of him comes from haha) BBC tends to do the best with low budgets, and now I’m super excited to start it!


Marquise You see! Run to watch it, now. :)

Oh, and I'll want your thoughts on what the best scene in the show is and why it's John Hurt's Caligula's dance. ;)


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "You see! Run to watch it, now. :)

Oh, and I'll want your thoughts on what the best scene in the show is and why it's John Hurt's Caligula's dance. ;)"


OH MY GOD I need it hahaha Sold
I read Camus� Caligula play earlier this year and since then I’m like yeah that guy sucked but oh how I want to know everything about it haha gotta have a favorite historical asshole


Marquise That's right! You'll like Hurt's Caligula, then. :) Do let me know when you watch, by DM if necessary in case I miss your update, please.


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "That's right! You'll like Hurt's Caligula, then. :) Do let me know when you watch, by DM if necessary in case I miss your update, please."

Always liked Hurt, when I was a kid my mom assumed anything Jim Henson was for kids and would throw on his Storyteller show and be like welp enjoy I’ll be in the other room and it was Hurt telling old fairy tales and fables but…some of them were terrifying haha I loved it but those muppet demons freaked me out. This is also how I saw Dark Crystal way too young!
But will do! I’ll see if I can stream it anywhere tonight but if not I’m almost positive we have it at the library.


Marquise s.penkevich wrote: "I loved it but those muppet demons freaked me out. This is also how I saw Dark Crystal way too young!"

Aw, poor lil' Steven! <3


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "I loved it but those muppet demons freaked me out. This is also how I saw Dark Crystal way too young!"

Aw, poor lil' Steven! <3"


It worked out, now I love fairy tales haha


Marquise That's always good! 😄


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Jaidee Entertaining review Spenx and you have moved my mindset from Byzantium to Rome....ahhhhhh!


s.penkevich Jaidee wrote: "Entertaining review Spenx and you have moved my mindset from Byzantium to Rome....ahhhhhh!"

Haha gotta hop from empire to empire! And thank you!


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Murray This is a good review. A one star review had made me balk because the reviewer considered the writing poor and the characters “cartoonish�. This didn’t seem right because Graves� writing was spot on in Goodbye to All That. So ty this review encourages me again.


s.penkevich Murray wrote: "This is a good review. A one star review had made me balk because the reviewer considered the writing poor and the characters “cartoonish�. This didn’t seem right because Graves� writing was spot o..."

Thank you so much! Yea I would definitely recommend it. I will say it was one while reading it i had to push through a few times but having finished it I can only look back on it and love it. If that makes sense. Huh yea I’d say it’s a lot of “larger than life� style characters but cartoonish feels off, and I really liked his writing, and if you’ve liked his others I’d say definitely give this a try. Hope you enjoy, I’d be interested to hear what you think!


Steven Godin Awesome review mate! Graves was such a great writer.


s.penkevich Steven wrote: "Awesome review mate! Graves was such a great writer."

Thank you so much! He really was, this book is kind of incredible. Also a lot haha, still wondering if I’ll read the sequel. Not anytime soon at least.


Laysee Brilliant review, Steve. It brought back fond memories of 'I, Claudius,' which I found entertaining aside from learning about Roman history. I appreciate your discussion on the meta-fictional aspects of this book, which I had not thought about. Amazing!


s.penkevich Laysee wrote: "Brilliant review, Steve. It brought back fond memories of 'I, Claudius,' which I found entertaining aside from learning about Roman history. I appreciate your discussion on the meta-fictional aspec..."

Thank you so much! This was such a good one, I feel like I’m liking it more and more after finishing and continuously thinking about it. Just read your review which was excellent as well. Thanks, I kind of loved that aspect of it, there was another scene about him writing that gambling book that seemed to be kind of a gag on Graves writing this as well but then i couldn’t find the part to reference it hah


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "That's always good! 😄"

Finally finished the miniseries and you are correct, it was SO good! And yep, Caligula's dance was the best scene haha I loved that.


Marquise s.penkevich wrote: "Marquise wrote: "That's always good! 😄"

Finally finished the miniseries and you are correct, it was SO good! And yep, Caligula's dance was the best scene haha I loved that."


Excellent news, most excellent indeed! 😄 I'm so happy to hear that you enjoyed it.

Caligula's dance will always be the best for me. You can't rule the most powerful empire and not dance like the best. 😄 And to think Hurt originally didn't want that role...


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Marquise wrote: "That's always good! 😄"

Finally finished the miniseries and you are correct, it was SO good! And yep, Caligula's dance was the best scene haha I loved that."

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Haha it was amazing! Funny he didn't want the role, its such a good one. Makes me think of how Albert Camus wrote his Caligula for himself to play the role because its so dynamic (but then couldn't stage it until after the war and felt he was by then too old to play him).


Marquise s.penkevich wrote: "Haha it was amazing! Funny he didn't want the role, its such a good one."

I can't imagine anyone else doing Caligula in this miniserials. Hurt is so rewatchable in that role!


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Haha it was amazing! Funny he didn't want the role, its such a good one."

I can't imagine anyone else doing Caligula in this miniserials. Hurt is so rewatchable in that role!"


Yea! I felt like every cast was perfect. I mean, you can never go wrong with Patrick Stewart but still, just perfect


Marquise Every single one of them! My other fave is Sián Phillips as Livia, Derek Jacobi is also great as Claudius... Hard to choose only one actor. :D


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "Every single one of them! My other fave is Sián Phillips as Livia, Derek Jacobi is also great as Claudius... Hard to choose only one actor. :D"

Yea Livia was really well done. The whole show did such a good job with the budget, and probably one of the best book to screen adaptations I've seen. Thank you again for recommending it!


Marquise You're welcome! Happy to spread the love for it 'round. :)


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s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "You're welcome! Happy to spread the love for it 'round. :)"

It also inspired me to rewatch season 1 of Rome (well that and seeing Ray Stevenson in the new Star Wars show, RIP) so I guess I'm just going all in on Roman empire media now haha It's pretty great still, though I, Claudius holds up better.


Marquise You're a fan of "Rome" too?! Man, you're too perfect for this world. :P


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "You're a fan of "Rome" too?! Man, you're too perfect for this world. :P"

Ahhh yes! It's so good! Though its funny how on a rewatch it really sticks out as an early 2000s show (was it 2005?) and by that I mean if theres exposition it will be delivered in the form of a sex scene haha


Marquise Ha, indeed, it's very mid-2000s. I'm not over them cancelling it, though, all because they were short of cash. :( Just a few years later, they wasted double that budget on GOT, which wouldn't have been possible without shows like Rome paving the way.

My dream is that they do a prequel to Rome set in Caesar's youth, there's so much potential for a great show. Colleen McCullough's Masters of Rome series would be perfect as the script. :)


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "Ha, indeed, it's very mid-2000s. I'm not over them cancelling it, though, all because they were short of cash. :( Just a few years later, they wasted double that budget on GOT, which wouldn't have ..."

YEA that needed another season for sure. And wasn’t part of the canceling to fund GoT which sort of borrowed its whole vibe from Rome anyways?
That would be excellent. Especially right now with the sudden interest in Rome again. Who has HBOs phone number, let’s get this written into the strike agreement haha


Marquise Wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened.

In the heyday of GOT, there were a sizable portion of the fans that had been Rome watchers and thought exactly the same I did. I'm sure some of them did bug HBO over it alongside but HBO decided Rome was passé and more dragons were trendy, so they went for more dragons. Not that I'm complaining, House of the Dragon is good, has vibes both of Rome and GOT, with less sex. :D


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "Wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened.

In the heyday of GOT, there were a sizable portion of the fans that had been Rome watchers and thought exactly the same I did. I'm sure some of them ..."


Ha Fair, I can always agree to some dragons. Glad to hear that was good, I still need to start it. I had been watching the Tolkien show instead which…I mean I liked it as a fan of the world but it could have been better.


Marquise Heh, I'm avoiding the Tolkien show on rec by friends. They all disliked it. :D Do let me know when you watch House of the Dragon!


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "Heh, I'm avoiding the Tolkien show on rec by friends. They all disliked it. :D Do let me know when you watch House of the Dragon!"

Thats for the best. I should have known when the Amazon producer said something about how "nobody wants a documentary of Middle Earth" and I was like wait no that is exactly what I want haha
Will do! I'll hopefully get to that soon.


Alexsandra Kokoeva Great review!


s.penkevich Alexsandra wrote: "Great review!"

Thank you so much!


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Shea This is one of my favorite books too! Great review!


s.penkevich Shea wrote: "This is one of my favorite books too! Great review!"

Great choice, it’s so good! Have you read the sequel? I’m hoping to read that next year. And thank you so much!


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