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Notes from Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
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Shall the world go to hell, or shall I not have my tea? I say let the world go to hell, but I should always have my tea.

Thus Spoke Dostoevsky

There were many things for me to get excited about after finishing this novella (It’s a trap!) but the first and an essentially timeworn image which appeared in my mind was that of a small child, sitting in a corner after being rebuked by an elder for giving little or no thought about the world with its countless complexities and contradictions around her. Now, everything about that image is strictly metaphorical in nature but the important thing is that “I� felt like a small child. Reading philosophical discourses whether in the form of a story or endless ramblings drenched in satirical juices does that to me and Mr. Dostoevsky, by way of these notes written by his Underground Man, made me both wriggle and relish in my noetic limitations.
But it is precisely in this cold, loathsome half-despair, half-belief, in this conscious burying oneself alive from grief for forty years in the underground, in this assiduously produced and yet somewhat dubious hopelessness of one’s position, in all this poison of unsatisfied desires penetrating inward, in all this fever of hesitations, of decisions taken forever, and repentances coming again a moment later, that the very sap of that strange pleasure I was talking about consists.
Divided into two parts, the first part, Underground is the abode of our unnamed narrator where he engages himself in all sorts of monologues ranging from talks of some really strange pleasures to the inevitable and self-imposed sufferings which further leads to the dissection of the human nature in the wake of reasoning, logic, goal, and most significantly, wanting & free will. All this is provided with a peculiar but apparently rational justifications or I thought they were rational in an unconventional but tremendously comical way.
And suddenly you hid your face
In trembling hands and, filled with horror,
Filled with shame, dissolved in tears,
Indignant as you were, and shaken . . . Etc., etc., etc.
It’s in the second part, Apropos of the Wet Snow where the whole setting turns biting cold though a sense of relief can be experienced with the presence of scathing satire, charming wit and ingenious story-telling. Here the narrator opens the door of his past and recounts the outlandish tales of his life which can invoke all sorts of emotions in a reader and also serve as the basis of first part hence rendering a meandering pattern to this work. And once you’ll get around the whole thing, don’t get baffled on finding a part (or whole) of your personality within the startling words originated from some dark, horrid place. The influence of Gogol can be easily observed in these stories and a comfort can be found that Dostoevsky deftly picked up the threads of Russian Literature where Gogol must have left them (It’s funny that I’m drawing out these conclusions after reading one book each by both authors so you can tell me if I’m wrong or exaggerating). In any case, I was left pleasantly surprised on finding that my preconceived notions were crushed and dusted and a new, although a little confused perspective was gained on contemplating the questions which our Underground Man has asked in this book.

I’m now asking an idle question of my own: which is better � cheap happiness, or lofty suffering? Well, which is better?

I’m hoping to find the answers in Dostoevsky’s chefs-d'oeuvre Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamzov which I’ll surely read soon but till then I need to work on materializing a new and grown-up image of myself. Books will help.
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Reading Progress

November 8, 2013 – Started Reading
November 8, 2013 – Shelved
November 10, 2013 – Shelved as: funny-funsome-sarcasome
November 10, 2013 – Shelved as: sui-generis
November 10, 2013 – Shelved as: to-re-read
November 10, 2013 – Shelved as: short-wonders
November 11, 2013 –
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100.0% "Take a closer look! We don’t even know where the living lives now, or what it is, or what it’s called! Leave us to ourselves, without a book, and we’ll immediately get confused, lost � we won’t know what to join, what to hold to, what to love and what to hate, what to respect and what to despise."
November 12, 2013 – Shelved as: it-is-ok-to-feel-dumb
November 12, 2013 – Finished Reading
November 15, 2013 – Shelved as: my-2-cents
November 15, 2013 – Shelved as: no-kidding
November 15, 2013 – Shelved as: favorites

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message 1: by Lit Bug (new)

Lit Bug I’m now asking an idle question of my own: which is better � cheap happiness, or lofty suffering? Well, which is better?

Good trouble knowing what we want, isn't it? I used to root for the latter, but I know now you'll never regret picking the former.

Nice review!


rahul Lit Bug wrote: "I’m now asking an idle question of my own: which is better � cheap happiness, or lofty suffering? Well, which is better?

Good trouble knowing what we want, isn't it? I used to root for the latter,..."


The only problem with the choice being, once you have tasted the later it is very diffcult to go back to the former, unless we deceive ourselves in a way that incorporates lot of forgetting and letting go.


Great review, Garima.


message 3: by Lit Bug (new)

Lit Bug I envy those who never chose the latter at all.


rahul I think it is to do with something in someone's DNA :) And the habit of not reading ( reading stuff that makes you think or question )

What was that Hemingway said
"Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know."


message 5: by Lynne (new)

Lynne King Excellent review Garima,

I purchased this book recently but I haven't yet managed to get around to reading it. I love Dostoevsky and my favourite is Crime and Punishment. You would love that Garima!


Garima Lit Bug wrote: "I’m now asking an idle question of my own: which is better � cheap happiness, or lofty suffering? Well, which is better?

Good trouble knowing what we want, isn't it? I used to root for the latter,..."


Thanks, Lit. That's a tough choice to make and as I have so blatantly confessed already, I don't know what to make of it. Going by the wordplay, I'd happily choose lofty over cheap and happiness over suffering any day but with cheap happiness, the question of conscience probably gets involved and last checked, scruples were found in my system ;) But again, am I brave enough to endure any kind of suffering? *thinking mode*


Garima Rahul wrote: "Lit Bug wrote: "I’m now asking an idle question of my own: which is better � cheap happiness, or lofty suffering? Well, which is better?

Good trouble knowing what we want, isn't it? I used to root..."


Thank you, Rahul. You're right! Reading does help :)


Garima Lynne wrote: "Excellent review Garima,

I purchased this book recently but I haven't yet managed to get around to reading it. I love Dostoevsky and my favourite is Crime and Punishment. You would lo..."


Thanks a lot, Lynne. I'm planning to read TBK next. Crime and Punishment is a masterpiece the brilliance of which is already vouched by many of my friends whose opinions I highly respect, especially you so hopefully I'll read it by next year.


message 9: by Dolors (new)

Dolors Dostoevsky is the master in drawing the intricate cobweb of human existence and Garima is the perfect gateway to get a glimpse of his haunting and groundbreaking genius.
"All this is provided with a peculiar but apparently rational justifications or I thought they were rational in an unconventional but tremendously comical way."
Can a passage be more articulate and refreshing? I swallow line after line of your reviews as if they were delicatessen, taking my time, savoring each word.
I plan on reading "The Brothers Karamzov" early next year but I'm adding what seems an essential work by the Russian literary master as I write. Thanks for pointing it out with such an invigorating review.


Garima Dolors wrote: "Dostoevsky is the master in drawing the intricate cobweb of human existence and Garima is the perfect gateway to get a glimpse of his haunting and groundbreaking genius.
"All this is provided with..."


Oh you're always too kind, Dolors. Thank you so very much. Dostoevsky is certainly a master and I'm glad that I started my memorable journey in Dostoevsky land with this book. Do read it and as for TBK, if everything goes smoothly then let's do a co/group read next year. It will be pretty exciting plus I'll learn a lot in your esteem and insightful company.


message 11: by Rakhi (last edited Nov 13, 2013 08:46AM) (new)

Rakhi Dalal Great review,Garima! I've read both Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov and I loved both :)

I agree with both Lit Bug and Rahul on the choice here and know that I'll always go for the latter one :) Cheap happiness is not only momentary and fake but also draining, taking out more from the soul than it can fill. This is what I feel and yes, it has got everything to do with reading and reading more. As Rahul says, you cannot go back from here :)


message 12: by Riku (new)

Riku Sayuj May I recommend that you start with Brothers K and then move to C&P? It would be easier to go the other way but this might be more fulfilling. You can top it with the Idiot later (as I started to do until I had to surrender my copy to a ravenous friend).


message 13: by Samadrita (new)

Samadrita Genius review, this. Your feelings of being made to feel like a child reprimanded by an adult are so spot on. I felt the same after reading this. I plan to read The Brothers Karamazov before the year ends although it's yet to be seen if my bookish whimsies let me actually carry out this plan to fruition.


Garima Rakhi wrote: "Great review,Garima! I've read both Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov and I loved both :)

I agree with both Lit Bug and Rahul on the choice here and know that I'll always go for the ..."


Thank you, Rakhi! Rahul made a fantastic point about no turning back once the lofty suffering is experienced but it pertains to certain conditions and that's where the dilemma arises especially in a world where nothing or almost nothing is purely black or white. I do appreciate and respect your take on it :)


Garima Riku wrote: "May I recommend that you start with Brothers K and then move to C&P? It would be easier to go the other way but this might be more fulfilling. You can top it with the Idiot later (as I started to d..."

That's how I want to go about it. Did you read the P&V translation? And lending a book to a friend is as good as gifting the book to a friend..never expect it back ;)


Garima Samadrita wrote: "Genius review, this. Your feelings of being made to feel like a child reprimanded by an adult are so spot on. I felt the same after reading this. I plan to read The Brothers Karamazov before the ye..."

Thanks a lot, Samadrita. It's always good to find company especially in such feelings. My plan is to read never-read-before authors till December (If only I was this organised regarding other things in my life..sigh) so another Dostoevsky is reserved for next year. But yes! bookish whimsies are rarely predictable so good luck!


message 17: by Riku (new)

Riku Sayuj Garima wrote: "Riku wrote: "May I recommend that you start with Brothers K and then move to C&P? It would be easier to go the other way but this might be more fulfilling. You can top it with the Idiot later (as I..."

Nope I read the MacAndrew version... might pick up Pevear for the next round.


message 18: by Dolors (last edited Nov 13, 2013 12:18PM) (new)

Dolors Garima wrote: "Do read it and as for TBK, if everything goes smoothly then let's do a co/group read next year. It will be pretty exciting plus I'll learn a lot in your esteem and insightful company. "

Oh, that's a date Garima!
It'd be an honor to do a joint reading with you and anyone else willing to participate, what a feast.
Let's keep our minds open and reading schedules attuned.
What a perfect way to end my day! :))


Garima @Riku: Alright!

@Dolors: Hurrah! I think Sven (where the hell is he!) also wanted to do read that one so hopefully he'll join. And of course, anyone else who is game for it.


message 20: by Dolors (new)

Dolors Ema had also shown interest in reading TBK, maybe she'll also want to join us (yes! where is Sven these days?)


Garima Dolors wrote: "Ema had also shown interest in reading TBK, maybe she'll also want to join us (yes! where is Sven these days?)"

Excellent! I'm already getting excited. Now my fingers are crossed for uninterrupted reading time in future.


message 22: by Deepthi (new)

Deepthi Excellent review as always, Garima! I am glad beyond boundaries, for you have enjoyed reading one of my most beloved writers. I hope you get to TBK soon. And all the rumors you have heard about it are true. It is a masterpiece! :)


message 23: by Lawyer (new)

Lawyer Simply exquisite.


message 24: by Steve (new)

Steve I really like that you were made me both wriggle and relish in your noetic limitations, Garima. (Not that I've ever noticed what those limitations might be.) Wonderfully well done! You've got another classic marked off the list, and all kinds of profound thoughts to show for it.


Garima Deepthi wrote: "Excellent review as always, Garima! I am glad beyond boundaries, for you have enjoyed reading one of my most beloved writers. I hope you get to TBK soon. And all the rumors you have heard about it ..."

Thanks a lot, Deepthi. I'm equally glad to enjoy my first Dostoevsky and looking forward to read TBK soon.


Garima Mike wrote: "Simply exquisite."

Hey Mike! Thank you so much for that :)


Garima Steve wrote: "I really like that you were made me both wriggle and relish in your noetic limitations, Garima. (Not that I've ever noticed what those limitations might be.) Wonderfully well done! You've got an..."

Haha! You're too kind, Steve and thanks a lot for that. Double thanks for taking time to read the review and post a comment. It means a lot :)


Arnie An excellent and insightful review of one of my favorite books. Crime And Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov are also favorites of mine. As for the question you posit, Dostoyevsky wrote "suffering is the origin of consciousness."


Garima Arnie wrote: "An excellent and insightful review of one of my favorite books. Crime And Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov are also favorites of mine. As for the question you posit, Dostoyevsky wrote "sufferi..."

Thank you, Arnie. It has become one of favorite books too and I think he gets better and better from here on. I kept that quote in mind and in retrospect completely agree with it too. Dostoyevsky certainly didn't leave many loose ends but gave us a lot of food for thought which I'm hoping to savor slowly and prudently.


s.penkevich FANTASTIC review, Garima! SOOO glad you liked this. Underground Man is probably my favorite literary character of all time (okay, tied with Samuel Hamilton from East of Eden). I love where he's gone all mad and scuzzy and realizes how crazy he looks before talking to the prostitute and thinks 'good, that's how I WANT her to see me'. So dark and amazing, and totally in line with my teenage years haha. Sorry for that rant, but fantastic review. Can't wait to hear what you think of his other books, and YES i will totally join you in reading them. He is my idol afterall haha. GREAT WORK! GREAT! GREAT GREAT! GREA!!T! !!!!G!!R!!E!AT (I'm not sober)


Garima s.penkevich wrote: "FANTASTIC review, Garima! SOOO glad you liked this. Underground Man is probably my favorite literary character of all time (okay, tied with Samuel Hamilton from East of Eden). I love where he's gon..."

Haha! Sober Sven is a rarity here so it's all good when you're drunk and write ;) But thanks a lot. I immensely enjoyed the madness, the perplexities and the goddamn truths uttered by Mr. Underground Man. And GREAT! I can't wait to read TBK with all you lovely goodreaders.


message 32: by Tej (new)

Tej Excellent Excellent Review, Garima... This is why despite all its antics, GR is so dear to us! Incidentally, as you know, I stumbled upon your Murakami review... the first thing is your writing... it struck me so glaringly vividly, how that has grown so beautifully into this...!

This is not an easy book, firstly to read, then to express, and you have done a grand job, a truly marvellous one...! I haven't read Gogol yet, but I read somewhere the same thing that you felt... even Schopenhauer... these two, true artists, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, surely picked up the cues from there but made the entire thing their own. Then you can see so much of Dostoevsky in Kafka...!

I smiled when I read 'lofty suffering', you have expressed that so honestly... it troubled me so much when I read it first time,Crime and Punishment, I literally tried to survive on bread and cheese seeing Raskolnikov do that to understand what it means in actuality :) This is so ambiguous in present day and age where lofty goals have bitten the dust, being emotional is a hurdle and rarely you see justification in dying for ideas or principles.

You must read 'Brothers Karamazov' first and all the rest after that... You are such an evolved reader and I don't wish to sound like a preachy pedant but I felt so very strongly that I must have read this one before! I want you to find that on your own though, not sure what your final opinion will be :)

And I need to read this one again as I read it in awe the first time (the rigors of which you point out so very well). This one of yours, I am saving for posterity...
Thank you :)


message 33: by Vik (new)

Vik I love Dostoevsky's writings :)


Garima Vikas wrote: "I love Dostoevsky's writings :)"

You're in a fine company, Vikas.


Garima Tej wrote: "Excellent Excellent Review, Garima... This is why despite all its antics, GR is so dear to us! Incidentally, as you know, I stumbled upon your Murakami review... the first thing is your writing... ..."

Thank you so so much for such a grand comment and taking time to write it. I must agree that whatever happened due to GR bug led to one or two lovely happenings. As for Dostoevsky, I'll definitely read TBK soon. We're planning a group read next year and in case you're in for a re-read then you're more than welcome.

This is so ambiguous in present day and age where lofty goals have bitten the dust, being emotional is a hurdle and rarely you see justification in dying for ideas or principles.

Very well said, Tej. I'm not a strong human being in any sense but I feel really lucky to read such books which probably help me in some way in the years to come when in all probability I have to face some moral dilemmas and then I'll ask myself the questions mentioned in this book and most likely in TBK and C&P. And your words have always been very encouraging for me so you're never at a risk of coming across as preachy or anything. Once again, thanks a lot :)


message 36: by Tej (new)

Tej Garima wrote: "Tej wrote: "Excellent Excellent Review, Garima... This is why despite all its antics, GR is so dear to us! Incidentally, as you know, I stumbled upon your Murakami review... the first thing is your..."

Oh that would be WOW!!! Definitely count me in for the group read of TBK :))


Garima Tej wrote: "Garima wrote: "Tej wrote: "Excellent Excellent Review, Garima... This is why despite all its antics, GR is so dear to us! Incidentally, as you know, I stumbled upon your Murakami review... the firs..."

Hurrah! I'll keep you updated.


Himanshu Amazing review, Garima. It feels like I just came out of an existential upheaval after turning the last page. And I'm so glad to see that indispensable question at the end of your review cuz it was quite nagging. Although reading responses to it in the comments was somewhat relieving. Thanks! :)


Nataliya Wonderful review, Garima!


message 40: by Garima (last edited Sep 29, 2014 02:27AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Garima @Himanshu: Thank you and sorry for the delayed reply. That's one of the many profound questions this book has raised but I'm happy for your relief and the agitation Dostoyevsky's words caused you ;)

@Nataliya: Thank you so much!


message 41: by T.D. (new)

T.D. Whittle I haven't read this, Garima, but I enjoyed your review so that has encouraged me to add it to my list.

Also, at the risk of sounding (and perhaps being) shallow, I will take the cheap happiness, thanks :)


Garima T.D. wrote: "I haven't read this, Garima, but I enjoyed your review so that has encouraged me to add it to my list.

Also, at the risk of sounding (and perhaps being) shallow, I will take the cheap happiness, t..."


Haha! Honest answer there T.D. and I'm glad you added the book.


Seemita '“I� felt like a small child.

Me too. Lovely review, Garima.


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