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Wicked by Gregory Maguire
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I hated this book. Maybe it was because I was expecting so much with all the hype, maybe because I thought the original idea was so great, whatever. End result, I freaking hated this book. This is a book that makes you want to sit down and re-write it yourself because it is such a shame that such a great idea was so mishandled. I loved the idea of delving into the witches and their past and seeing them from a different view point. I loved the idea of the politics of the different realms of OZ. There was so much source material to interpret in so many ways. But no - the biggest thing I hated was the timeline. It would start with the witches childhood and get really in depth into it - chapters of the family and their day to day lives and the family dynamic. And then it was like the author realized that if they continued on this way, the book would have to be a series and every book in it a tome. So the next thing you know, abruptly, he jumps forward in time. And the explanation of what happened in that gap is only briefly described - if that! It is so jarring. I also felt that the characters were fleshed out during those brief times, but after the jump, And then it would seem almost like they were different characters. Or a variation of the character you had come to know. If there were life altering events during the gap that changed the character's personality, you can't just skip it! Don't spend that much time making the reader get to know the character and then change them without showing how and why! I hated the way the author would spend enormous amounts of time describing certain places or characters or situations in a way that gave the reader the idea that it would be significant and play into the main story. Nope. Which makes you feel so unsatisfied. Imagine an entire chapter (and a long wordy one at that) devoted to a certain character or group of people and then then just drop out of the story completely. Where did they go? What happened to them? Why spend so much time on them to just go no where with it??

Also, after awhile, it really seemed like the author had a definite AGENDA and he spent so much time forcing the characters and the plot to fit that agenda, that it disrupted the flow and felt forced. I often felt like the characters wouldn't have acted that way - given his own description of them! I don't like being preached to. If you want to really write a political book with obvious leanings, then do so. But don't package it like this. And this book could have been a great vehicle for a basic statement on many different things - animal rights, our ideas of "others", our treatment of people different from ourselves, a broad idea of what is good and evil as opposed to what people often label good and evil - but didn't have to be so skewed to the author's personal beliefs. (Animal Farm, 1984, and many others come to mind - I really believe that this story COULD have had the potential to be a classic, had it not been so mishandled.) So many of these concepts were brought up and then abandoned. Or they were brought up and dealt with in a talky soliloquy, and without any real opposing view or anything. It was like the author was determined to present every possible political view he had and, one way or the other, force it into the story. But as he got writing and trying to actually write a STORY as opposed to an editorial opinion piece, he lost track of what he was saying or the point he was trying to make.

So many themes and ideas were a complete mess. Not explained fully, explained too fully, so vague and complicated they were impossible to understand, or more often than not, forgotten altogether. I would have appreciated ANY resolution - even skewed to the author's opinions - rather than what he often offered, which is nothing. It also felt so smug and superior - it seemed like he referenced things for the sake of feeling smart or proving he was informed- like a college student mentioning Nietzsche in conversation, not because he really wants to discuss the ideas or whatever, but because it sounds smart and proves he's beyond such things as keggers.

I just didn't like anything about this book. I stuck with it to the end, hoping that maybe things would change, or maybe things would come together in a way I didn't expect - but nope. I can only assume that it was so popular because of the interesting concept of the book or the fear to admit that they didn't get it or the broadway play - which I have heard is great and might better explain of the popularity of the book. (People loved the musical and bought the book thinking they would like that too.) Anyway, I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone.
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Roberto I totally agree with you , Claire. I also found this book a total waste of time ( and paper) considering that the premise was very good. I have already read Maguire麓s " Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister" and this book , although not brilliant was much better than " Wicked".


Mimi Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. I work in a bookshop and everyone lOVES this book. I don't get it.


courtney re: witch stuff and revising familiar stories, robert coover's "Stepmother" is definitely worth reading.


Ellen Puccinelli Oh my GOD I agree with you 100%! I tried so hard to like this book, but I just couldn't. I was miserable the whole time I was reading. I can still remember the minute I decided to give up on it -- I was in line at the McDonald's drive-thru! It was one of the best moments ever ... like when you think you have lost your cell phone or wallet and then you find it -- intense relief. Thanks for your review! It made me feel less stupid and less like I'm missing something obvious that the whole world can see but me.


Cookie I felt no connection with your comment at all. I loved this book and I felt the author was very clever with how he connected things in the end.


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Josef Miyasato I once lived with a very unhappy woman. She would yell at me everyday over a pickle paranoia and walking to loud. We used to be friends. She recommended this book to me. I tried to read it, got really excited about it. I didn't make it past the first chapter and I felt badly for it (this feeling is inherent with me). This review helps me realize that I made the right choice when I cut ties with both the book and the girl.


Lylly Emerick I signed into 欧宝娱乐 to mark this book as 'read' (past tense) and then give it a bad, but not dreadful, review. Thanks to your forcefully written review, I don't need to. For the most part, I agree. That being said--its here at the West End and I may just go see it and try to sort out what went wrong.


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Claire Greene Lylly wrote: "I signed into 欧宝娱乐 to mark this book as 'read' (past tense) and then give it a bad, but not dreadful, review. Thanks to your forcefully written review, I don't need to. For the most part, I ag..."

Thanks for the comments - I was bitterly disappointed with this book, mainly because of what it could have been. But I have heard that the musical/play is amazing and really works, despite the flaws of the source material. Apparently, they had some amazing writers involved and really took the book and twisted and turned it into something great - complete with song. If given the chance, I will go see it despite my strong dislike for the book.


Allison I read Wicked after reading "Confessions..." and on first read, I enjoyed it, but not as much as "Confessions." Later, I was dragged to see the musical by my mom, which was enjoyable, but had nearly nothing to do with the book, especially in the overall feel of the Oz created by Maguire. There were enough discrepancies between what I'd remembered from the book and what I saw on stage, and I went back and re-read the book. I actually enjoyed it more the second time. I don't expect an author to spoon feed me, or fill in every gap. The "issues" raised by Claire didn't bother me whatsoever; they were part of how the story was told. I'm just starting "Son of a Witch" now to see how that land, those characters, continue to unfold, and no, I don't expect to have every question answered. Sometimes, just having the questions raised, and allowing the reader to consider the consequences and possibilities, is a lot more fulfilling than having everything laid out for you every step of the way.


Elliereggie Claire, I am so glad I am not the only one who didn't "get" the greatness and popularity of this book. I listened to it on CD in my car and just kept thinking something was going to happen. I got to the end and thought, "Oh, that's it? Nothing happens? I thought this was supposed to be an amazing work of litterature? I thought it was going to be full of magic and solve mystereis." Unfortunaltey it was not, and in my mind it turned Oz from a beautiful, magical, wonderful place to sad, drabby and opressed. There was so much more he could've done, so many doors were open in creatiing this story, and there were so many angles he teased us with that he didn't take. I agree about the play though, I will still see it someday and I hope it is everything this book is not.


Cardinal whatever you do, don't read "Mirror of Her Dreams".
my mother,who recommended Wicked to me, said that it was very Wicked-esk


Cardinal oh, but you might like the musical.
it is rather different.


Katrina Totally agree! The musical is wonderful, though.


Mellie Dumas 'This is a book that makes you want to sit down and re-write it yourself because it is such a shame that such a great idea was so mishandled.'

i work at a bookstore and every time someone asks me if this book is any good, i say no but unfortunately i cannot back it up with a coherent reason why. Now i have one. it's what i have been trying to say but never been able. I usually just say it's frustrating and can't explain why. your a genius! You summed up my thoughts in one sentence.


Andrea So glad others agree with me. I hated Wicked, and Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister. I won't bother to read another Maguire book.


Cardinal Andrea wrote: "So glad others agree with me. I hated Wicked, and Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister. I won't bother to read another Maguire book."

well, why did you hate it?


Cardinal one of the main good things about this book is, if one is in the show the wizard of oz, and one is the wicked witch of the west, one doesn't need to come up with a big and complicated back story.


message 18: by Kelly (new) - rated it 1 star

Kelly
I agree. It's a fantastic idea that was mutilated by this author.


message 19: by Becky (new)

Becky i saw the play in london and loved it but i've heard alot of horrible reviews about the book and was just wondering if anyone has both seen the play and read the book and if it's in any way similar or did they completely change it up?


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Irisjade Well then...I read the review and thought it sounded pretty interesting, but obviously I am not TOUCHING this book, lol. All the things you mentioned are things I've encountered in the past with other authors and that bug me completely, so yeah, I can take this off my 'to-read' list...


Cardinal Irisjade wrote: "Well then...I read the review and thought it sounded pretty interesting, but obviously I am not TOUCHING this book, lol. All the things you mentioned are things I've encountered in the past with ot..."

watch the musical then


message 22: by Jess (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jess Well put, Claire. You nail so many of the book's fatal flaws. I have to wonder now if the fans of this book actually just love the idea of this book enough to overlook all its crippling weaknesses...


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Liriope Well, you're obviously not going to be re-writing it since you've apparently never heard of the "Enter" key on a keyboard, also known as "Return" on some. :/

No one likes to read through a wall of text. I learned to indent in 2nd grade.


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Claire Greene Lee wrote: "Well, you're obviously not going to be re-writing it since you've apparently never heard of the "Enter" key on a keyboard, also known as "Return" on some. :/

No one likes to read through a wall of..."


Well, Lee. I learned something in kindergarden that really applies here - if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. So feel free to do so.

Also, I thought you should know (as well as any other troll that may be considering posting a similar comment) that I DID include returns and indents in the original post, but the formatting didn't stay when it actually posted. I tried again a few times, but the only formatting that stayed was the "return" and not the indents, regardless of how they were entered - either using the space bar or using the tab. Had you nicely pointed out the difficulty in reading a "wall of text", I would have nicely responded with that information.

Another important consideration is that I wrote a personal review of the book, you were under no obligation to read it or even notice it. If you had valid opinions or critiques to the actual content of the review, that would have been welcome. But taking the time to write a snarky comment that has nothing to do with either the book OR my opinions in the review, makes you a jerk. Which I guess you already knew.

So, basically, how about you keep your ignorant, "witty" comments to yourself?


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Liriope Your review was literally unreadable to me-not because of the content- I couldn't read the giant block of text. I have weak eyes and I just lose my place too many times. So how am I suppose to discuss your little opinions?

I realize the formatting on here can screw things up, and I wasn't sure if you were aware of the lack of formatting on this review, since a lot of people don't bother to check their reviews. So I thought the right thing to do would be to bring it to your attention, so you could fix it if you wanted.

in the future type <p> to indent and <br> to cause a paragraph break.


Oh, but that's what ignorant trolls are here for, right?




message 26: by Claire (last edited Sep 23, 2009 11:52AM) (new) - added it

Claire Greene Thank you for the information. Couldn't you have just started the entire conversation like that?

By the way, you were the one who brought up that 1. I never heard of the enter key (assuming I was an idiot as opposed to the real issue of formatting which you just said you know happens sometimes) and 2. that your second grade education was obviously superior to mine and apparently where you learned to indent.

While I could make nasty or snarky comments about how the second grade was apparently the end of your schooling, or point out more of your trollish behavior, or the fact that maybe the problem isn't my writing style but rather your "weak" eyes or even the fact that there is no correlation between the lack of indents and my actual opinions of the book, but why bother?

It's a shame.. if you weren't acting like a total douche, you almost sound witty and sarcastic - both qualities I admire. And we have quite a few books in common. But as of now, FAIL.

PS - while posting to tell me how to indent, you forgot to indent. D'oh - a double fail!! And wait, what's that? When I tried to follow your advice and add the indents, it didn't work. I believe that is three fails and you're out.


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Liriope I'm not going to bother arguing with someone twice my age who doesn't even know how to make the most basic HTML work. Good luck with that.


Kristin Emmons I don't really hate this book (then again, I still have 100 pages to go), but I admit that I was sorely disappointed. After watching and adoring the musical - which is totally different and absolutely amazing - I wanted to read the book, but all the flaws that you pointed out have disappointed me to no end. And it had so much potential... the play was rewritten to capture a lot more of that potential, I assure you.

The only reason I'm going to follow this book through the end is because I don't like not finishing a book.


message 29: by MAP (new) - rated it 1 star

MAP Exactly! A friend of mine and I were reading this at the same time in college, and we both kept saying "He completely changes the characterizations to fit whatever agenda he has at the moment! Something Galinda never would have done 20 pages ago suddenly she's all gung-ho for!"

It was ridiculous. If he wanted to write a book with an agenda, he should have just written a non-fiction memoir or book of rants and essays or something. Trying to shoehorn his points into characters that he's already established doesn't fragging work.


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Heather G Well stated - rarely is there a title I find so atrocious that I fail to finish reading, but this book was the exception.


message 31: by KC (new) - rated it 3 stars

KC I agree that the book has some flaws. The time frame is too jumpy and characters and issues are often abandoned when you feel most attached to them. I feel like he should have let us get to know Elphaba a little better. I'm not sure if his intention was for the reader to feel unable to reach inside of her mind, to ensure the mysteriousness of her inner workings...but I would have rather delved right into it and stepped totally into her world rather than feeling like an outsider who peeks into the windows once in a while. With that said, I would never want it to read like the play. The play was fun, but the story line was very cliche. I can't imagine wanting to read something as predictable as that. The book brings up much more interesting topics and the imagery in many parts of it is much more sensuous, exotic, and controversial than the play allows for.


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Melody Ho Oh my goodness I definitely agree with you. I kept seeing it on bestseller shelves, and after seeing the musical (which was AMAZING), my sister and I tried to give the book a go. And it was the greatest combination of awkward, confusion and boredom in my life. I do not know why so many people like the book. Seriously, they should just make a book-version of the musical because the musical is so beautifully straightforward, funny and tear-jerking.


message 33: by EvaS (last edited Oct 19, 2010 08:17PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

EvaS Claire wrote: "Thank you for the information. Couldn't you have just started the entire conversation like that?

By the way, you were the one who brought up that 1. I never heard of the enter key (assuming I was ..."


Wow. Sorry you had to deal with that Claire (I guess some people learned selectively in school... the 'common courtesy' lesson must have happened on an off day). I loved your review; agree with your points, and really wasn't blinded or upset by the "wall of text鈥� (hmmmmmm鈥� should I hit the Enter key at this point, or what? Maybe an indent? Naaaaaawwww). I just could not get through this book 鈥� I wanted to read it because I鈥檓 going to see the play next month. I loved the idea and the premise, and could have ignored some aspects of it, but the writing was just not my cup of tea.


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Topaz Becky wrote: "i saw the play in london and loved it but i've heard alot of horrible reviews about the book and was just wondering if anyone has both seen the play and read the book and if it's in any way similar..."

I've seen Wicked in London, fell in love with it and moved on to tackle the book. It is a hard read but i enjoyed it alot. They are different in many ways but the book had to be adapted for stage e.g. In the musical Nessa Rose can't walk but in the book she doesn't have any arms. (if i remember rightly) but for obvious reasons they had to change it. Some things in the book you wouldn't think they put into the musical e.g. Kiamo Ko castle. This is in the play although unless you look more closely you won't realise it. Also in the book Elphaba only believes at first that the scarcrow is Fiyero but in the musical he IS the scarcrow. I like the musical better and they are much different but the smae at the same time and both are worth trying although it's a matter of opinion.


GigiReads Right on target! If I were to write a review to this book, it would be almost exactly what you wrote! Bravo!


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Topaz Topaz wrote: "Becky wrote: "i saw the play in london and loved it but i've heard alot of horrible reviews about the book and was just wondering if anyone has both seen the play and read the book and if it's in a..."
*SPOILER*
also in the book Elphaba dies but in the musical she only pretends to.


message 37: by Jen (new) - rated it 1 star

Jen Totally agree with your review, so disappointed in this book, but your first paragraph says it all. GREAT idea for a book, bad execution. Total waste, but would still like to see the play at some point.


Joyce Unfortunately, I was quite disappointed w/this book, also. However, just because it was not what I expected, does not necessarily make it a "waste of time". I will admit, tho, that I have not rushed right out to buy any of his other books...


Kristina Lucas Thank you for your review! I completely agree with everything you said. I tried to give it a chance & tried to give it the benefit of the doubt but I was just utterly disappointed. As you pointed out, what a letdown for such a terrific idea! There were so many holes left & ridiculous descriptions (that make you think they will be important in the future but then are never mentioned again). The characters flip flop in their actions & personalities, people are introduced & then never mentioned again, events are glossed over & then we are expected to appreciate the severity/consequences of said events. Needless to say, epic letdown.


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Millie Glad to know others feel the same way. The book adds depth to the musical, but the story line is boring interesting. :-/


message 41: by Unaris (last edited Jan 12, 2014 06:15AM) (new)

Unaris Recently I've tried to come to understand why would hold such incoherent and non-sensible opinions. I've come to learn that your a fan of Rosalind Wiseman, and that your favorite books include "Queen Bees and Wannabes" and "Bunnicula" and you gave "The Lovely Bones" a mere one star. This tells a lot about your personality and you as a person, as well as your crappy taste in literature.

The fact is that nothing you said applies to the book. You personally attack the author by saying that he make references or says big words to seem smart. Oh, can you see into the author's mind, now?

The book was about Elphaba, and she is one of the most developed and fourth dimensional characters I've seen in recent literature. Perhaps you could explain why you think Elphaba is under-developed. Yes, the author did have an "AGENDA." That agenda is racial equality and seeing past someone's appearance. You make the statement that he forced the characters to meet that agenda without an example. The fact is Elphaba fits that agenda perfectly, and the whole story is flows into one storyline that's similar to "Beauty and the Beast" except without the happy ending. I believe that the messages portrayed in the book fell completely past you. In fact, there is little to no political leanings in the book at all. The book is simply about the nature of evil, what is evil, and racial equality. The author was trying to make the statement that just because someone is different doesn't mean that they are evil. This book isn't about conservative vs. libertarian. Is racial equality a negative political idea to you?

Everything that needed to be explained in the book was explained, and the things that needed to be explained but weren't were saved for the sequels to this book.

Telling from your personal taste in literature, your failure to understand grammar and the English language and your aggressive, immature and hostile behavior towards other people who disagree with you, I'm determining that your opinion isn't worth squat. You should probably stick to children's literature, because this book is clearly too advanced for you. The musical by the way completely bastardized this novel. Its clear that you were expected a full show of stupidity and nonsense from seeing the Broadway version when you picked up this book, but instead got intelligent allegory about racial and religious problems in modern society. Everyone who agreed with this review is the same, as clear by their lack of understanding the English language to a much higher extend then you.


message 42: by Jay (new) - rated it 1 star

Jay Hartig I couldn't agree more with your review Clair. This book made me sick.


Jason This book's a bore.


Melody I thoroughly 100% agree with this review. You have clearly articulated what I have struggled to say out loud with this book. I want to know, would it be possible to ditto your review and use it as my review except of course I would use quotation marks and state you as the author..?


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Claire Greene @melody, of course! I'm flattered!!


message 46: by Bella (new)

Bella Czeck Literally same. Too much detail amd not enough action


message 47: by Co (new)

Co iota Its interesting :)


message 48: by Jenny (new) - rated it 1 star

Jenny Drexler Your review is spot on! I hated this book! I wish I had read your review before I wasted so much time on this!


Rebecca Langham I feel like so many of these reviews are heavily coloured by expectation - people expected a novelised version of the musical. When we should treat the musical as an kind of 'Disney-fied' version of a complex social and political satire.


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Amelia I agree. I started to love the begining, but then this sudden jump? Many parts were confusibg and poorly explained. What happened to elphaba in the like 16 years we miss. It has so much wasted potential it makes me cringe


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