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Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay
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did not like it

I hated this book, but I'm an oddity; in fact, virtually every other human being seems to love it unconditionally. So if you stumble upon it, give it a try, chances are you'll find it awesome.

So.. what didn't I like about it?
Well, pretty much everything.
This book, in short, tells about the vengeful crusade of a group of refugees from the once-great city of Tigana, destroyed years before by the mage Brandin.
Cool, uh?
Nope.
For starters, nobody cares about the destruction of Tigana.
In fact, the protagonists want revenge simply because Brandin erased the name of the city from the memories of everyone.
Thousands of deaths? Who cares!! But don't you dare touch the name of our city!
This is a pitiful excuse to set the plot in motion but every time it's mentioned every character in the scene will start crying like a baby at the atrocity. When Devin, a famous singer, learns he's a descendant of a Tiganian (?) he immediately abandons his career to swear eternal vengeance against Brandin and spend the rest of his life despairing on "Oh how horrible" a fate his native country had.
Really?
Really????
He didn't even know it existed 5 minutes ago!
Not to mention that the war that destroyed Tigana has been over for decades.
Overreactions like this one are constant because Tigana strives SO hard to be emotional, ALWAYS.
Not a chapter will come to pass without someone crying and despairing over the silliest things or without a completely random scene of oppression at the expenses of an equally random previously-unseen character.
This, together with the incredibly contrived dialogues and a plot that relies entirely on happenstance, contributes to create a story that feels forced from start to finish.
The single most obnoxious thing that alone would have made me drop this book is the narration.
You will never, NEVER see anything happen. An action scene is approaching? Nope! There's always a fade out and then someone will tell you what happened in a couple paragraphs.
At least half of this book is made of digressions and internal monologues telling you things that should have been shown.
What's more? The use of sex as plot device is pitiully cheap, the prose is so flowery it made my eyes bleed, the pace is awfully slow, the characters are cardboard cutouts that will constantly try to be as annoying as humanly possible.
Brandin, the only vaguely interesting character, is a puppet made of cheesy cliches: he's a morally gray woe-stricken antagonist pitied by the female protagonist, and an all-powerful mage that can do ANYTHING... but won't... because... uh... you know.. the laws of magic and all that.
But rest assured he IS the most interesting character by far.

The few good details (such as the riselka, mysterious spirit that will sometimes appear to humans as an omen)are completely overshadowed by the bad ones.
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Kelsi Coffman I agree completely. The characters attempts to feel emotional were SO over done and the fact that they're fighting for a culture several of the characters never knew was just incredibly baffling and stupid. Kay has absolutely no fathom of time in this book and just skips around constantly. A complete waste of a read and I do not know how it gets the ratings it does. For each his own, I suppose.


Pietro Indeed it's baffling to hate a book that gets so much love. Glad you liked the review!


message 3: by Travis (new)

Travis Kish You took the words right out of my mouth. I felt like I was being beat over the head with emotions lacking any underlying substance.


Purity Anddeath I pretty much agree with you only I wouldn't give it 1-star. I gave it 3 because it was an OK read even though it had problems and a contrived plot device to push it along.

I think it had some good characters, a few interesting plot twists and however a linear, cliche storyline it traveled, it did travel it well enough.


message 5: by Pietro (last edited Jul 06, 2013 09:12AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Pietro Purity wrote: "I pretty much agree with you only I wouldn't give it 1-star. I gave it 3 because it was an OK read even though it had problems and a contrived plot device to push it along."/i>

I gave it only one star because every page was an ordeal for me, especially around the middle of the book...
But I kinda see your point :)
Thanks for the like!



message 6: by Samih (new)

Samih I totally agree, I've read through more than half and so far you have been right on every point. It tries to be emotional, but it feels so forced, there is no real substance to the emotion, I just can't seem to relate. If you want emotion with more substance and depth Name of the Wind would much better serve. I honestly don't understand what the people are raving about. Right now it's the reviews that keep me reading and not the book itself, in the hopes that some of what they describe will pan out. So far a major disappointment on almost every front, the plot is not interesting and doesnt make sense (at least in the sense of supplying the base for the overly exaggerated emotional outbursts), the characters are dull annoying (my 17 y/o cat has more personality than all of them combined), the narraritive sounds like it was written by a 15 y/o Emo girl on her period after her boyfriend of 3 days dumped her amd erased her name from his phone (hence the inspiration for the stupid plot), and the plot is slower than my grandfathers bowels and is just as stinky.


Purity Anddeath Samih"

Yeah. I think it's a very childish book. It did have some things I liked (Fat boy in the mountains. Sister and the God-king.) But overall the story was boring. Maybe good for kids as a stepping stone that liked Harry Potter or something.

If you want a great read try Shadow of Fear or The Book of the New Sun.


Titel1 There is one thing I agree with you: Brandin was the most ineteresting character in the book, but all them are complex, even if we do not relate to them entirely.
You say that they have exagerated emotional reactions, but what happened to them, all the things that resulted in losing your's true identity,cannot but conduct to these human expressions.
I do not consider it a 5 star book, but it is definetly a very good one (in my opinion that is :)


Titel1 There is one thing I agree with you: Brandin was the most ineteresting character in the book, but all them are complex, even if we do not relate to them entirely.
You say that they have exagerated emotional reactions, but what happened to them, all the things that resulted in losing your's true identity,cannot but conduct to these human expressions.
I do not consider it a 5 star book, but it is definetly a very good one (in my opinion that is :)


Purity Anddeath Titel1 wrote: "There is one thing I agree with you: Brandin was the most ineteresting character in the book, but all them are complex, even if we do not relate to them entirely.
You say that they have exagerated..."


Yeah... Maybe I just feel "A Rose by any other name would smell as sweet." is entirely too fitting here. A defeated country by any other name is just as defeated. I guess I just don't care that much though. Maybe some people do care and it resonates with them. -Shrug- Just seems pointless to me. Along with their desire to fight back after they already lost. Oh wait, that worked out for them though because ... ?


message 11: by Lucy (new) - rated it 1 star

Lucy agreed on brandin being most interesting character. "Overreactions like this one are constant because Tigana strives SO hard to be emotional, ALWAYS."

this so much, also the sex as a plot device. I mean i didnt consciously realise it till i read your review, but you are spot on.


message 12: by Abby (new) - rated it 1 star

Abby "At least half of this book is made of digressions and internal monologues telling you things that should have been shown."
This. Definitely.


message 13: by Mel (new) - rated it 1 star

Mel yes yes yes!! it has such good reviews and yet i'm struggling to keep reading and rolling my eyes on every page at the overdone sickly sweet tragedy of everything. i only just passed page 100 but this is where i give up. for anyone who wants good fantasy with likeable characters you can actually feel for, i'd recommend a song of ice and fire or something by tad williams.


message 14: by Sean (new) - rated it 1 star

Sean Damn right. Worst book I ever read ....painfully tries to be so emotional . CRAP


message 15: by Gitai (new) - rated it 1 star

Gitai Ben-ammi I hated it too. I normally like Guy Gavriel Kay, but this was just the most generic fantasy. It was poorly written, cliched, trite, and I couldn't give a damn about a single character.


message 16: by Mathias (last edited Dec 20, 2014 01:27PM) (new)

Mathias Herrmann I agree. I also hated that Aragorn knockoff. I don't remember exactly why, but he struck me as morally insupportable in some scenes, but which I think was a heavy-handed attempt to create thematic complexity. The author said he doesn't plan his books, and so I think a lot of the complexity is pretty accidental but not very well developed or consistent. Or maybe the problem was that I wasn't convinced by him as a character.
I did like scenes in it, and I was able to get into it to some extent, and I remember being very engrossed in the ending scenes. I also think the author has one of the great fantasy styles, because it at least allows for all sorts of complexity, but can also be classical and evoke different eras. It is a shimmering style in a way, intelligent and poetic or historical. (He is a very highly regarded author in the field, after all, and I would even support the general direction.)
But at the same time I thought the characters and plot were often trying very hard and not really working.
So I probably liked the beginning and the last third or so, and the middle sections left me fairly cold or even provoked me.

It's a shame, because I kind of liked having read the book, but didn't feel completely convinced. I wanted to read more by the author but so far didn't feel compelled enough. Maybe it would have been better to start with another book.
I might add that I understand some of the thematic issues like the "relevance of culture" (historically and politically) from an abstract point of view, even though the scenes often didn't work, as mentioned.


message 17: by Nazmul (new)

Nazmul Hasan thank you for this review. I was about to buy it. Thank God


Mickey Lax It sounds like you don't like emotional characters in books, which is fine, but not really a valid reason to say the book sucks. I agree that the characters are a bit melodramatic at times, which takes a little of the realism out. I also felt that Kay was too afraid to kill his characters, as several almost died but didn't quite. But overall, this book entertained me and made me think and feel things.


Whammus This book stunk, a few hundred pages in I abandoned due to the uncontrolled weeping for Tigana. Well done.


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Your Nationality is obviously not an integral part of your identity or you would see that it is not the destruction of the name, but everything the name stands for... the reason why their parents were broken husks of people... the representation of the lies and the deaths and the strongarm tactics. The lunacy of the whole thing...
I admit you gotta be a sentimental person to like this, but I found the knife edge political balancing acts exquisite.


arielle morris gee, you must me fun at parties hey?


Dyuthi I have always thought that Kay's characters seem forced and two dimensional. I've tried to read a lot of his books but have always ended up skimming because I just cannot connect to the people, and thus the story.


Andronikos I wholly agree: Though I never actually managed to finish this book (that eye-bleeding thing you mentioned started to happen to me, and I had far more interesting things to read), I did encounter some of the over-reactions. I vaguely remember Devin storming out of his rehearsal when this girl working for the troupe whose name I can't remember looked at him the wrong way. This set in motion the entirety of the rest of the plot, because she met him in a seedy bar to cry, and then they cried all the way home, and wound up in a closet together after his performance...

It was pathetic, just really, really pathetic. The writing just compounded the problem: sometimes I felt like Kay doesn't even know how to speak English. Even some of his "famous quotes" that fans pull out as "exemplary writing", sound like me trying to whack a Spanish sentence into shape with generous assistance from Google Translate. Of course, I feel the same way about Ernest Hemingway, so it might just be me...


message 24: by Leni (new) - rated it 1 star

Leni Iversen It's been years, but I still remember hating this book. And I loved his other books. This one I just couldn't finish though. And it wasn't even the crying that did it. I didn't get all that far into it.

You have this woman whose entire country has been destroyed, wiped off the map and out of the history books. She goes undercover in order to get vengeance, even sharing her body with the man responsible for the genocide, so that she can get close enough to him to kill him. But then... she falls in love with him, and even saves his life instead of killing him, thus causing the death of one of her fellow survivors. Then he turns out to prefer the company of another of his many women, which leads to her having a rage/grief attack. The destruction of her entire country she could apparently get over, because he is charming and sort of nice when he isn't feeling genocidal, but when she is a woman spurned? Oh, now he has to die anyway.

And at that I closed the book and never reopened it.


message 25: by Marija (new)

Marija Lipanović Agreed!!absolute bore this book was. Could have ended pages ago, but instead kept on dragging with, to me, useless dialogues, character description etc and the real action only kicking in in the last 100 pages or so. I honestly couldn't wait to finish this book and start with something different. I am actually wondering wether I should give a chance to other Gabriel's books, that's how much I'm disappointed.. Tirana was my first.


Kunal This review is absolutely spot on, the more I think about it, the more I dislike this book. Shame as I like GGK's other work.


message 27: by Marita_z (new) - added it

Marita_z God, finally someone who thinks like me! I was beginning to think that it was my fault not liking the book... I've tried to read it once, and tried once again, but I can't!


message 28: by [deleted user] (new)

People like nonsense maudlin anthemic books for the same reason that X-factor and [insert country name here]'s Got Talent and the Kardashians and Kanye and Paris Hilton are popular and Donald Trump is the 45th president.

It is simply this:

The average IQ is 100.


William I started to post a review in the same vein. But I realized I couldn't have stated it better!


message 30: by Maryanne L Delf (new)

Maryanne L Delf So relieved to read your review. I can read pretty much any book and I'm struggling to connect with this one.


Jingizu @ aissa - yeah that's right. Anybody that likes a book you don't, must be an idiot, neh.

@ Leni Iversen - well, obviously you didn't finish the book, as you don't realise the constant dividing struggle that Dianora is in. The duality of love and hate.

Yes, there was definitely some melodrama, true. Devin and Catriana were not my favourite characters. However, it is also a balance of maturity and childishness. Devin is 17 years old and Catriana is only what, 19? They both wanted to be part of the revenge, as they at last knew why their parents were such shattered people.

The other characters are all in their 30s/40s and were actually there when their country was destroyed.

But well, everyone to their own. Liking a book or not is just an opinion at the end of the day.


message 32: by Z2002 (new)

Z2002 Thanks for the review. I just wrote a bad review of Under Heaven, and want to see if the author's other work is as bad as the one I tasted. Luckily your review reenforces my understanding of what the author is likely to deliver and saves me some time.


Donnelle Brooks Thank you! I couldn't give a shit about Tigana!


message 34: by Erin (new) - rated it 2 stars

Erin Miller I'm sorry you felt that way. I'm not done with the book so I can't comment on everything (and to be completely honest it took me three tries to get past the first two chapters in this book), but I feel like the concept of them fighting over the name "Tigana" is really unique and really powerful. Valentin sets it up in the first chapter - they know they are all going to die in the battle, but they know that their legacy and the memory of what they died for will live on in history. They won't have died in vain. And then Brandin takes the very name Tigana away and all the history, the culture, and the sacrifices that went with it are completely forgotten. They can't bring back the people who died, but they can bring back the memory of them if they can get the name back. They don't want their country and their people and their sacrifices forgotten, which I think most people can relate to.


Jingizu Erin wrote: "I'm sorry you felt that way. I'm not done with the book so I can't comment on everything (and to be completely honest it took me three tries to get past the first two chapters in this book), but I ..."

Yes, their very existence was taken away. I hope you have the book with the afterword from Guy Gavriel Kay. When you are done with the book, his afterword is excellent.


message 36: by Inge (new) - rated it 3 stars

Inge Janse Not a chapter will come to pass without someone crying and despairing over the silliest things or without a completely random scene of oppression at the expenses of an equally random previously-unseen character.




message 37: by Abdul (new) - rated it 1 star

Abdul Oh my god, thank you for this. I was losing my mind, thinking about how bad this book translates for me meanwhile a lot of the good people in my book club like it. You said that "The use of sex as plot device is pitiully cheap" AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. The first sex scene? Totally unnecessary, and the author goes through all the mental gymnastics to convince us that it was necessary when it obviously wasn't. (Alessan saying something along the lines of, "Oh, I knew you were one of the Chosen Ones, so I let you jeopardize a spying mission that's very important to us. Said spying mission also is unimportant because Rovigo already knew all about it years ago, ahihihi. Go ahead and have sex in a closet with Catriana, Devin. You're worth ittttttt.)

You also said that "the characters are cardboard cutouts that will constantly try to be as annoying as humanly possible" and I also deeply agree. In Alais' first POV, she and Catriana get heated over the most inconsequential things, maybe because the writer thinks women must fight all the time. For narrative tension. Like, are they characters here just because they are love interests? It's frustrating how transparent this book is.

I have around 530 pages left. One-star reviews like yours give me the assurance that I am sane, while also giving me the energy to finish this.


Teresa I read this book many years ago but I still remember how boring I found it.


message 39: by Lina (new) - rated it 1 star

Lina Thank you!! I couldn’t have said it better!! Hated every single moment of this!! Just finished it because 1.- I had already bought it and 2.- I feel compelled to finish a book once I’ve started it


Jasmine I actually really liked this book, but more in retrospect, as it had time to sit and ferment in my mind. But all the issues you had with it, I had too. It was funny reading your review and thinking, "I liked this book, but he's not wrong!"


message 41: by Ana (new) - rated it 1 star

Ana Kodzic This is an awful book.


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Vania I agree


message 43: by Teresa (last edited Jan 03, 2019 04:49AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Teresa JFSchoon wrote: "indeed its not a book for superficial readers. But if you get the deeper meening of it the story is beautiful. - You dont destroy a civilization by 'just' killing its people, but by killing its her..."

JFSchoon wrote: "indeed its not a book for superficial readers. But if you get the deeper meening of it the story is beautiful. - You dont destroy a civilization by 'just' killing its people, but by killing its her..."

You are right. But I've read many "deep" books that didn't bore me to tears. It's the writing style of the author. I've read other books by him and had the same problem. He has very good ideas but the way he realizes them just doesn't captivate me.


Barry Lachapelle Haha. Yes. This review is dead on. But I somehow still loved it.


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Caleb CW So... you liked it then?


Sarah Paps 100% agree with all of this. This books makes me angry.


Heath Edwards I will say with the risk of sounding pretentious that to appreciate this book it must be met with equal intellect or it will be lost to the reader. This book is beyond fantastic.


message 48: by M.C. (new)

M.C. Planck I know I'm late to the party, but I had the same complaints. Who cares about a name? It just doesn't seem heavy enough to justify all the drama. The plot revolves around way too many clever plans that always seem to work, and yes, Brandin was the most interesting character. But even he just seemed half-alive.


Locky Don't worry Heath, you sound more like a wanker than purely pretentious.


message 50: by Giovanni (new)

Giovanni Pedroni OH MY GOD, THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Everyone I've talked about this book LOVES it... and I absolutely HATE IT! I'm reading out of pride and anger, because I'm stuck in 54% of it and it's pure garbage.
I'm glad I could find someone who shares my disgust for this piece of shit story.


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