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Elantris by Brandon Sanderson
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it was ok
bookshelves: epic-fantasy, fantasy, skimmed

Oh, Elantris, why must you torture me so? Why must you force me into conflict with the library, my favorite dealer? They claim I owe them, and they aren't going to leave me alone. I'm afraid to go to the corner dropbox at night in case a librarian is lurking. I've stubbornly held onto their copy of Elantris hoping that I would become inspired to re-read and provide a more thorough review. Alas, no. You will have to read my generalized dislike instead of many specific examples. For no clear reason, I was completely unable to sustain interest in Elantris despite leaving the library copy on my physical 'currently reading' shelf for months. While there is an interesting vision of a magical system, magic isn't enough to save the story, especially as the re-discovering of Elantrian magic is so slooow in the making.

Out of the triplicate storyline, the destroyed Elantrian city was the only plot that really sustained my focus. Perhaps part of it was a difficulty connecting with any of the characters who were mostly out of the Campbellian Mythical Archetype lineage. Prince Raoden has been declared dead, but has actually been thrown into slime-coated Elantris. He has undergone the random but incomplete transformation into an Elantrian. However, he brings his royal training, knowledge of various Arelon citizens and unflagging optimism to the destroyed city and starts gathering the hopeless citizens into a band of survivors. He has a vision--plans to forge them into a populace with pride. He is going to scrub the slime from the buildings and recognize that even the street-sweepers have value in society. He's going to study, at least the books that haven't been eaten by the starving populace. He's going to make friends with a Jamaican friend and adviser, Galladon. He's going to fix things.

A second storyline is focused an an annoyingly plucky young heroine, Sarene (subtle much?)--saved from being a Mary Sue because, you know, she can't draw. Or sing. I think. She's been betrothed to the prince of Arelon as part of an alliance between her kingdom and his. She faces somewhat predictable kingdom politics, as well as--gasp--overt sexism from her father-in-law and the generally patriarchal Arelon society. But don't worry--she'll modernize them and teach them that real princess can fight using swords.

The final storyline is focused on Hrathen, a high priest from Fjordell who is in a mission to convert the godless in Arelon before his emperor invades. He's actually one of the most layered characters because he has the zeal of a believer tempered with flawed insight. Though he thinks he knows the politics, he's frequently outmaneuvered by everyone around him, from Sarene, to his recruit, to the emperor. However, the subtlety of his characterization is based on overly-fuzzy political details, so there is a tremendous amount of info-dumping whenever he is in a scene, likely one reason a number of readers label it their least favorite storyline.

I just didn't feel the heart here, ultimately leading it to a two star read for me. It felt a little too self-conscious and 'I'm-avoiding-formula-by-changing-two-things' on Sanderson's part. There are a couple of unsolved questions, at least as far as my half-a-brain effort could tell, but I'm not sure there's anything worth potential conflict with the library.

After all, I have to stay on the good side of my dealer.


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Reading Progress

July 22, 2012 – Started Reading
September 1, 2012 – Shelved
September 20, 2012 – Finished Reading

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Jonathan Terrington Interesting view...this was the book that got me into Sanderson. I guess things just clicked for me in what I like in a book. Though I agree it's not his best book. I have to re-read this soon just to re-compare it to the new books I've read...


carol. Jonathan--It'll be interesting to see what you think when you go back and re-read after reading more of his works. I just was not impressed.


Jonathan Terrington I definitely understand not being impressed. I may find it more...static than I remember to say the least.


carol. I completely understand something being mood-driven, though. I know many people can't stand Eddings' Belgariad, but in certain moods it is satisfying for me.


Jonathan Terrington I've enjoyed all the fantasy I've read depending on my mood.


Mimi Your review describes my feelings perfectly, and I'm only part way through with the book. At this point I just want to get to the end to solve the Elantrian mystery without having to slow down for Sarene's or Hrathen's story arcs to play out.


carol. Mimi wrote: "Your review describes my feelings perfectly, and I'm only part way through with the book. At this point I just want to get to the end to solve the Elantrian mystery without having to slow down for ..."

It is nice to hear that Mimi--there are so many Sanderson fans that I was wondering what I was missing. This does not come anywhere near a 5-star for me in terms of engagement or character development.


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Very funny review! ;)


carol. Jocelyn wrote: "Very funny review! ;)"

Thanks. :D


message 10: by Carly (last edited May 09, 2013 08:41PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Carly Nice review! Your descriptions of the characters are pretty perfect...eep. I am now more firmly resolved not to reread it. I read it in 2005 when he was a brand-new unknown author; I'd encountered so many cardboard-cutout LotRs that it felt new and original. I loved it even though Hrathen was the only character I liked; I remember finding the religious aspect fascinating, especially comparing it to the Mormon concept of exaltation.

It felt a little too self-conscious and 'I'm-avoiding-formula-by-changing-two-things'
Heh. It's gotten to the point you can predict all of his plot twists because of this.


carol. Carly wrote: " I loved it even though Hrathen was the only character I liked; I remember finding the religious aspect fascinating, especially comparing it to the Mormon concept of exaltation."

Well, that's interesting. I'm not versed enough in religions to catch the parallels. In retrospect, it does feel like a very junior work with overly heavy allegory.


message 12: by Reed (new) - rated it 5 stars

Reed Walter I agree, I do like his new books much better! I would like to see a sequel though. I think there is a lot that he could expand upon.


message 13: by Sam (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sam Sigh, I have to agree with all you've stated. I'm about 3/4 the way done and somewhat struggling to finish it.


carol. I empathize, Sam. I think I renewed it a couple of times (for a total of three months), and books I love, I finish in two days


message 15: by Su (last edited Oct 13, 2014 04:55PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Su I did find it a bit slow, but hey I reread Tolkien every year too.

Overall, I enjoyed it, but agree some of your criticisms of the characters (especially Sarene) and some of the plot holes/weaknesses were spot on.

Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed, well-reasoned and rational review in the face of almost-certain fan outrage.

edit: Missed a few words here and there.


carol. Thanks, Andrew. Surprisingly, not much fan outrage. Apparently Sanderson fans aren't as rabid as those of a couple other authors I can name...
After all, to each their own, right? Glad you enjoyed it.


message 17: by Cj (new) - rated it 1 star

Cj I loved the Stormlight Archives and trying this right now I can foresee that in the end I will probably agree: Raoden is the only one catching my interest right now. Although, (not to want to disagree) I hope I will love it like I loved Stormlight...


Sofie Having read the Mistborn series and liking it, I decided to read another Sanderson and while checking up on reviews for Elantris, I came across yours. I thought 'Hey, this Carol person is funny but WRONG' but I hadn't read Elantris yet and I gotta say, you were totally right. Sanderson's strength is 1. magical systems, and 2. Shyamalan twists, but in this book, he tried too hard at developing religious and political plot points both of which were way hamfisted. The Mary/Gary Stu protas was unbelievable, all characterizations were tell rather than show, and while Hrathen was supposed to be the most layered character, his "layer" was basically a realization that he was Martin PROTESTANT Luther and God=good, priests with powers=bad. Sanderson's use of "religion" in Mistborn was the smartest manipulation he has done and he did it by using it as a tool and not making theological arguments.

This book should have either been a novella, or it should have covered more than TWO MONTHS in 600+ PAGES.

Anyway, long rant but thanks for the review which was spot on. I'll totally believe your other reviews from now on ;)


carol. Sofie--thank you for thinking my review was funny! I frequently amuse myself, but I'm not always sure I'm amusing others. :D

I think it definitely was a first book, but that's okay, we all have to start somewhere, right?


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Kris Thank you for this review, I trust your reviews and with Sophie's post this is going down the tbr.


Sofie Oh yes, definitely a first book, Carol. But I tried reading The Way of Kings and that did not go well either. As did not The Alloy of Law. I'm starting to think either Mistborn was a fluke, or I was really desperate for a particular kind of fantasy when I was reading it and was subconsciously forgiving.


carol. I compared our books, Sofie, and we actually have about 80% similarity. I find that epic fantasy doesn't work for me the way it used to, although Kay still wows me.

I think Sanderson has a workman-like flair for detail. You know he's got it all worked out and is just dying to show it off to the reader. And to be fair, some readers love and miss that.


Joseph Mancini I don't understand how this book isn't the epitome of fantasy for you as it is for me. I have always been a fan of hack and slash but this book gave me so much more without the substance I normally look for in a fantasy novel. I am not discrediting your review at all though thank you for your feedback! Please keep up your reviews.


carol. Glad you enjoyed it, Joseph. We all like different things, right? I've been reading the genre for 30 years, so perhaps that's part of my perspective.


message 25: by Amy (new) - rated it 4 stars

Amy Enjoyed the review, especially as I was staring at my 4-star rating and yet nodding my head to your call-out of all the archetypes! I agree the characters are pretty flat but I loved the idea of starting the story where the fairy tales usually end "and they lived happily ever after" but with a dead prince and a princess stuck in the marriage contract all by her lonesome among court politics. The end was way too fast after so much slow-build but I enjoyed the build!


message 26: by carol. (last edited Dec 21, 2015 06:43PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

carol. thanks, Amy. You aren't the only one to give it four stars! for a first book, it's pretty amazing. i loved the idea of the dead/slime-coated city.


Agnes Conway This is the first book of Sanderson's I've read, and may be my last. She's the most annoying heroine ever. Her shenanigans with the goods she sent into the city - bucket with hole, bent nails etc. - and Spirit's supposed amusement at such nasty petty behaviour towards starving people made her even more disikable. If that possible. And everything happened so FAST. Move to a country one day, coupla days later be in charge of a secret conspiracy. Princess meets diseased grey blotchy ugly man of indeterminate age, dressed in filthy rags, but feels strangely attracted, and wants to impress him. Wealthy successful merchant thinks that accusing all his friends of treason and leading soldiers to a meeting is a jolly trick to play on his old friend, and will result only in rapped knuckles. Is horrified when he finds he's wrong.

Most of the way through the book we're led to believe (by others reactions) that she's tall, gawky, plain, unpleasant, and that's the mental image built up. Then almost at the end of the book, an abrupt volte face by the writer, and we're told she's ackshelly very very beautiful. Very very annoying. I can't remember when I disliked a heroine so much.


carol. Not surprising, Agnes. This was his first book, and I think it is very full of the standard character tropes. To me, Sanderson is over-hyped, but I did enjoy the book Wax & Wane were in. Mistborn wasn't bad, but it didn't rock my world. There's always more books!


Elena Tuomioja Oh, Sarene is most unfortunate character in the whole book. How can someone hate her? She's clever and honest. And being clever she has to see though when someone is dishonest. And being honest she's bound to dispise those. Being clever also means that she can't suffer someone in a lower league as her husband - see the dilemma? She's unfortunate and unhappy. She'd do anything to not to dwell on that hence she served abroad and lived a busy live.


Nancy Carol, what best selling novel have you recently written that you can compare to your critique?


carol. Nancy, I noticed you gave two stars to Fifty Shades Bleh. What knock-off fan fiction have you written that you can compare to your lack of critique?


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Naomi Hahahahahahhhaaa Nancy is funny!


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Alexandra Nancy wrote: "Carol, what best selling novel have you recently written that you can compare to your critique?"

Ugh. Not that old, ridiculous thing again. SMH


message 34: by Emily (new)

Emily YES! I WANTED to love this book. I just could NOT get into it. About a third of the way through, and I give up :(


carol. Thanks, Emily. Take heart--Sanderson's written a lot of books since this one. :)


Jorid Sørli I agree, this book felt tortured compared to his later books


carol. Thanks, Liz.


David Smith Carol,

Unfortunately, I think the fact that you didn't finish the book has hurt your ability to make a fair assessment of what is going on in these characters and in this story,

The book isn't even about the magic, per se, though it plays a role in the climax and resolution of the book. Hraethen goes through his own Sazed-esque crisis of faith, and ends up being very central tot he whole book. Serene is self-conscious about the exact things you mention and tries to cover them up.

All in all, I think the story and characters are a little more complex than you present here. So if that is your reason for not appreciating this book, I would say give it another go! If you simply are just bored with it, then don't' bother. Reading should be fun. haha.


carol. Oh, David! You are so funny! I think the fact that you didn't read my review has hurt your ability to make a fair assessment of what is going on in my review.

You see, I DID finish it, oh-so-boring as it was. I just couldn't work up the energy to do a review and wanted to give it a SECOND read. Isn't that funny?

Also, reading shouldn't just be fun. It can be a whole lot of other things as well. Don't sell it short.


David Smith The snarkiness is too real. Forgive me, I see that you said in your post you couldn't re-read it. I rescind my critique about not having a full picture to review.

I stand by my comments about the characters and their complexity, especially when seen in light of Sanderson's other work. But that is just my opinion.

Also, I didn't mean reading should *only* be fun. Of course, it can and should be much more. I'm in agreement with you there.

Thanks for your review and perspective.


message 41: by Monica (last edited May 15, 2017 12:21PM) (new)

Monica Tough love time: You're an addict Carol. and apparently Elantris is "fate's" way of throwing you an intervention. I say apparently because I have absolutely no intention of ever reading it to confirm. Though "slime-coated Elantris" does sound compelling, I'll not yield to its siren song...


message 42: by carol. (last edited May 15, 2017 03:26PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

carol. Oh, I am an addict, and the librarians know it. I've been working so much and had so much going on that I've hardly read--this time I renewed a book in person and the librarian said, 'no holds this time?' :D To be fair, she also sat next to me in biology in high school, s o she knows who I am.

I'd pass on Sanderson (view spoiler) Read N.K. Jemisin instead.


William Sanderson does A LOT of telling-instead-of-showing in his books, but man, it is bad in this debut novel.

Your review is spot on.


carol. Thanks, William. I think you are on to a key point of his style.


message 45: by Harryo (new)

Harryo Can't read Sanderson at all, am amazed by anyone who can. They are soooo long!


carol. Harryo wrote: "Can't read Sanderson at all, am amazed by anyone who can. They are soooo long!"

They are often long, and often with a lot of minutiae that aren't really necessary to the story. You can tell the man loves his world-building.


message 47: by Mimi (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mimi Yes, perhaps too much. His writing has always felt very labor-intensive to me, like you could easily imagine him pouring over every single minutiae and then later on going back and adding more unnecessary detail to it. That's how I imagine his "editing" process.


carol. Wow, it's scary--I totally imagined that scene you were describing. I bet that's exactly it. I feel like he was totally the person that got into the world-building/creation of D&D.


message 49: by Margaret (new)

Margaret *makes note to avoid this book*


message 50: by Mimi (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mimi Carol. wrote: "Wow, it's scary--I totally imagined that scene you were describing. I bet that's exactly it. I feel like he was totally the person that got into the world-building/creation of D&D."

Yes, his coming from a D&D background explains it all, doesn't it? Especially the meticulous and methodical creation of that whole universe (I think it's called the Cosmere). It's impressive, but there's just way too much of it.

Margaret wrote: "*makes note to avoid this book*"

*cough* You might also want to add The Way of Kings to that note *cough*


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