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The Aeneid by Virgil
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it was amazing
bookshelves: 2009, reading-through-history, top-100, rth-lifetime

The Romans took over from the Greeks as the dominant Mediterranean power after Alexander of Macedon died in 323 BCE, and then turned into an empire when Caesar crossed the Rubicon in 49 BCE, which is a nice way to say that he staged a military coup and installed himself as dictator. It ran along merrily for 800 years until around 500 AD, when it was finally overrun by a series of people with awesome names like Visigoths and Attila the Hun.

Rome was actually founded even earlier than that, though, in the 700s BCE, by Aeneas, who was a Trojan - from the Trojan War, so we’re working (as usual) off Homer. Like Odysseus, Aeneas had a long and incompetent journey from Troy.


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He wasn’t going home, though, he was trying to find a prophesied new one. Because Odysseus showed up in a horse and burned his old one. (That famous Trojan Horse story is mostly told in the Aeneid, only briefly referred to in the Odyssey.)

That founding story, which is made up, is what's told in the greatest Roman epic, Virgil's Aeneid, written around 20 BCE. It’s pretty good. The story of the Carthaginian queen Dido is a high point: she falls in love with him; they sleep together and then he’s like never mind, I gotta go found Rome, prompting her to commit suicide by stabbing while burning, and beginning a feud with Carthage that will come to fruition when Hannibal barely fails to defeat Rome around 200 BCE, and then Rome completely destroys Carthage and you can’t even find ruins anymore, really, which is a bummer.


Dido killing herself - by Cayot, 1711, this is in the Louvre

TS Eliot calls The Aeneid "our classic, the classic of all Europe." It's a minor work for our generation - we're way more familiar with Homer - but it's been consistently read since it was written, unlike Homer (who lost favor for a while in the Middle Ages). It's an imperialist work, basically, written to canonize Rome as a great civilization and specifically exploring what it means to be a superpower. Virgil wasn't comfortable with it himself; he never finished it, and (according to the myth) asked that it be burned after his death, which lesson Kafka might have paid attention to: if you want something burned right, you'd best do it yourself.

Translations
I read the Fagles translation, which was as usual excellent. In case you don't know, Fagles is the Pevear & Volokhonsky of antiquity: he's done well-regarded translations of just about every work written BCE, which means you can just go with him if you don't have any better ideas but you should maybe watch out that you don't end up absorbing the entire canon through him, which would be weird. Mandelbaum also has a translation; I haven't read it but his work is dependable. Your other options are the conservative Fitzgerald or the very liberal Lombardo. Here's that (starting about halfway down) talks at length about different translations and comes out for Fagles.
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Reading Progress

Started Reading
October 1, 2009 – Finished Reading
February 2, 2010 – Shelved
February 23, 2010 – Shelved as: 2009
July 19, 2011 – Shelved as: reading-through-history
December 29, 2013 – Shelved as: top-100
January 2, 2015 – Shelved as: rth-lifetime

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message 1: by Zadignose (new) - added it

Zadignose I never actually finished reading it yet, but maybe I'll give it another go. I did like the boat race.


Megan How realistic do you think Aeneas' character was?
No one seems to mention him much on their reviews..


Sasha That's an interesting question, Megan. You're right, no one talks about Aeneas. I guess he's not very interesting. He certainly doesn't fire the imagination the way Ulysses or Achilles does.

The one time I remember having any sort of interesting thought about him as a person at all was the Dido episode, when - at least to modern readers - it's hard not to see him as a total dick. He sleeps with her - that's not really open to interpretation - and she sees that as a promise of marriage, and then he abandons her. I'm not enough of an expert to say for sure whether ancient readers would have seen that as repulsive as we do, but I bet they would have found it at least questionable.

So that's like the one episode (again, at least in my memory) where Aeneas shows himself as a distinctive character, as opposed to a sort of generic hero. And he's awful.


Ivana Books Are Magic yes, the episode with Dido comes to my mind as well when I think of him as a dinstict character...but I think that 'his heroic destiny' is a big thing in this one and so powerful it makes him unable to act against it, making him less human in the process.


Sasha Good point, Ivana! I like that.


فؤاد thanks for the map. it really helped.
but didn't he go to thrace before he go to crete?


Sasha Foad wrote: "thanks for the map. it really helped.
but didn't he go to thrace before he go to crete?"


Yes, Foad, he did! I checked into it and found which is a little better than mine and shows a quick jog into Thrace. I've updated my map to show it, although I didn't label it so it's a subtle change. Thanks!


David Sarkies I love this review.


Sasha Thanks man! I like yours too. Ha, boat people.


Jon Reading Books "The Romans took over from the Greeks as the dominant Mediterranean power after Alexander of Macedon died in 323 BCE"

This is not accurate. Rome was still fighting for power over their own peninsula for the next ~50 years after the death of Alexander, they were not a dominant presence in the Mediterranean until after the Punic Wars.


Sasha DON'T WORRY EVERYONE, IT'S PEDANTICMAN TO THE RESCUE


Jon Reading Books Alex wrote: "DON'T WORRY EVERYONE, IT'S PEDANTICMAN TO THE RESCUE"

Ha! Fair to say.

I didn't mean to discredit you or say your review wasn't worthwhile. It's just a minor clarification. Apologies if my comment implied that your review was no good.


Sasha Oh! Well, thank you. Sorry to respond so flippantly. I was trying very hard to condense a huge swath of history into two sentences, and that seemed like a good breakpoint that people would recognize.


message 15: by Jon Reading Books (last edited Jan 30, 2019 12:11PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jon Reading Books It's fine as-is. It's not even technically incorrect. There's a bit more to it than that, but it's not even really necessary to mention it since it has no bearing on anything. I just read the first sentence and immediately skipped down to make the comment, which I probably shouldn't have done. But I couldn't resist the urge to dust off my BA history. After all, if it wasn't for internet pedantry, I'd never get the chance to use it. I suppose I should try to reign it in a bit in the future.


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