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Karkaroff never seemed as powerful or hands-on a headmaster as Dumbledore, to begin with. He probably had his students sail the ship the whole time.

Juho wrote: "Karkaroff never seemed as powerful or hands-on a headmaster as Dumbledore, to begin with. He probably had his students sail the ship the whole time."

That's entirely possible. Could be he just Captain Kirks the thing from a comfy chair. Hopefully he didn't flee with the keys, or however it is they start the ship... I'm sure there must be some safeguards against joyrides.

the tongue thing was a tick David added to the character, then the actor who played Moody picked it up as well, as to connect Crpuch Jr and Moody, if I remember right. And those lips looks like they already got plenty of chaptstick 👀

And as others would say, only the fools calls him by "Voldemort"

Maja Ingrid wrote: "the tongue thing was a tick David added to the character, then the actor who played Moody picked it up as well, as to connect Crpuch Jr and Moody, if I remember right. And those lips looks like the..."

Lol. Possibly he reapplies between takes. I wonder if tongue thing is a common trait among psychopaths. I remember Heath Ledger's Joker doing that a bunch in "The Dark Knight." Though, his lips seemed to have a full-on infection going on :)

As for Voldemort, I can't understand why a person would go to the trouble of giving themselves a really cool name an not want people to use it. 🤷‍♂��

Jayson wrote: "Maja Ingrid wrote: "the tongue thing was a tick David added to the character, then the actor who played Moody picked it up as well, as to connect Crpuch Jr and Moody, if I remember right. And those..."

It does give a more psychotic, unstable edge, the lip licking.

I'm sure Voldy wanted everyone to call him by his name, it's just people being scared of saying it, like they are afraid they gonna summon Baby Voldemort xD

Jayson wrote: "As for Voldemort, I can't understand why a person would go to the trouble of giving themselves a really cool name an not want people to use it. 🤷‍♂�� "

That way, it's more than just a cool name - it's a special name, a secret codeword that only you yourself can use! I think he allowed more of his friends to use it back when he was still at school, before The Dark Lord took over.

It rather feels like he never quite grew up in that regard. Behind all that posture and darkness, he really is still just a child.

Maja Ingrid wrote: "It does give a more psychotic, unstable edge, the lip licking.."

Yes, I agree. I think I saw in an interview once Christopher Nolan saying that Heath Ledger's lip licking made him seem more reptilian and cold-blooded, like a lizard that keeps sticking their tongue out. So, perhaps there's a bit of that logic with Crouch here as well.

Maja Ingrid wrote: "I'm sure Voldy wanted everyone to call him by his name, it's just people being scared of saying it, like they are afraid they gonna summon Baby Voldemort xD"

Well, apparently it didn't work. Baby Voldemort toddled onto the scene regardless 😁

Jayson wrote: "Maja Ingrid wrote: "It does give a more psychotic, unstable edge, the lip licking.."

Yes, I agree. I think I saw in an interview once Christopher Nolan saying that Heath Ledger's lip licking made ..."

Well, Harry was among the few who foolishly said his name and was the only one (minus Wormtail) who had to suffer Baby Voldemort, so the others definitely are on to something there
(and we suffered Baby Voldemort because we said his name all the time too)

Juho wrote: "That way, it's more than just a cool name - it's a special name, a secret codeword that only you yourself can use! I think he allowed more of his friends to use it back when he was still at school,..."

Could well be the case. Though, even Stalin, who came up with his own name, had people call him "Comrade Stalin." Voldemort doesn't even have people who call him "Lord Voldemort." Problem is you don't know whether Voldemort is his first name or his last name, and so perhaps his underlings wouldn't want to presume knowing him on a first-name basis. 🤷‍♂��

Jayson wrote: "Problem is you don't know whether Voldemort is his first name or his last name, and so perhaps his underlings wouldn't want to presume knowing him on a first-name basis. 🤷‍♂��"

Well OBVIOUSLY his first name is Lord and his last name is Voldemort.

("Tom Marvolo Riddle = I am Lord Voldemort")

Maja Ingrid wrote: "Well, Harry was among the few who foolishly said his name and was the only one (minus Wormtail) who had to suffer Baby Voldemort, so the others definitely are on to something there
(and we suffered ..."

Lol. Yeah, the only other notable one who said the name would be Dumbledore, which is unfortunate. I'm sure he'd like to have been at Baby Voldemort's re-birthday party/baby shower :)

Maja Ingrid wrote: "Well OBVIOUSLY his first name is Lord and his last name is Voldemort.

("Tom Marvolo Riddle = I am Lord Voldemort")"

Hmm... that makes sense. I guess saying "the Dark Lord" would be like saying "The Dark Tom," which could also work.

Jayson wrote: "Maja Ingrid wrote: "Well, Harry was among the few who foolishly said his name and was the only one (minus Wormtail) who had to suffer Baby Voldemort, so the others definitely are on to something th..."

Dumbledore would have brought all the best gifts!

Jayson wrote: "Maja Ingrid wrote: "Well OBVIOUSLY his first name is Lord and his last name is Voldemort.

("Tom Marvolo Riddle = I am Lord Voldemort")"

Hmm... that makes sense. I guess saying "the Dark Lord" wou..."

LOL imagine people freaking out when someone says it or someone trying to stammer out "D-d-dark T-t-t-oo-om"

Maja Ingrid wrote: "Dumbledore would have brought all the best gifts!"

I expect Baby Voldemort would have been spoiled with sweets, which would've been super-cute :)

Maja Ingrid wrote: "LOL imagine people freaking out when someone says it or someone trying to stammer out "D-d-dark T-t-t-oo-om"

Indeed. Though, Dark Tom does have a certain spookiness to it, like Spring-heeled Jack, Bloody Mary or Sweeney Todd. Dark Tom would also make a decent name for a British mobster.

Shame he didn't like the name. Reminded him too much of his dad.

Jayson wrote: "Maja Ingrid wrote: "Dumbledore would have brought all the best gifts!"

I expect Baby Voldemort would have been spoiled with sweets, which would've been super-cute :)"

And throw all the tantrum for getting the nasty flavours of bertie botts beans! But hopefully he would turn out less evil in the end.

Jayson wrote: "Maja Ingrid wrote: "LOL imagine people freaking out when someone says it or someone trying to stammer out "D-d-dark T-t-t-oo-om"

Indeed. Though, Dark Tom does have a certain spookiness to it, like..."

Does sound bit like the villain in an old classic or children's book, lol.

Juho wrote: "Shame he didn't like the name. Reminded him too much of his dad."

Sad state of things there. Daddy issues are often the root of problematic personalities.

Maja Ingrid wrote: "And throw all the tantrum for getting the nasty flavours of bertie botts beans! But hopefully he would turn out less evil in the end."

A little love and candy goes a long way. Sometimes people just need a Snickers (or a Marathon if you're British). All his evil could be explained away if it turned out he was hypoglycemic :)

Maja Ingrid wrote: "Does sound bit like the villain in an old classic or children's book, lol."

Does seem to work the same way. You know, mothers telling their kids to be good or else Voldemort will get you. In Victorian times they did the same with Jack the Ripper. Moms can be pretty cruel if it means getting kids to behave :)

On number (3), I just reread this not so long ago and I recall Victor Kein telling Hermione that Karkaroff didn’t do anything on the ship, the students did all the work. Apparently he was lazy as well as a coward

*Krum

Annie wrote: "On number (3), I just reread this not so long ago and I recall Victor Krum telling Hermione that Karkaroff didn’t do anything on the ship, the students did all the work. Apparently he was lazy as w..."

Ah, I must not have gotten to that part yet. Wonder how wizard governments are in Eastern Europe that a guy like that could rise so high despite being an ex-con and cowardly. Probably nepotism or something. If he didn't have yellow teeth, I'd think he was a Malfoy type who came from money.

I've always had the sneaking suspicion that continental Europe was organized along Cold War borders, which is why there's one school in the west and one in the east. Each nation has their own quidditch teams, but then so do each constituent part of the UK.

Never thought about Crouch calling Voldemort a different name to other 'good' wizards - great pick up!

Elise wrote: "Never thought about Crouch calling Voldemort a different name to other 'good' wizards - great pick up!"

Thanks, Elise 😁👍

I mean... I do expect Dumstrang had brought more teachers than just Karkaroff... at least one would think they did.

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I mean... I do expect Dumstrang had brought more teachers than just Karkaroff... at least one would think they did."

That's interesting to consider. I think that's possible. Though, the book only does mention Karkaroff, and my bet would still be that it was only Karkaroff, since only 12 students were brought to Hogwarts, and so the other teachers supposedly would have stayed back to conduct regular classes with the remaining students.

One teacher for 12 students seems an appropriate ratio, whereas two or three would seem like overkill. The benefit of bringing the headmaster would be that they'd probably be the most respected teacher at their school and likely well versed enough to teach all subject matter.

As well, they may have sat in on Hogwarts classes for courses outside of the headmaster's expertise. That's possible too.

Dude, you've put way more thought into this than I have 😯 It's quite enlightening on these more vague aspects of the story 👌

ℓуη��, ℓσкιѕℓутнєя¢ℓα�� wrote: "Dude, you've put way more thought into this than I have 😯 It's quite enlightening on these more vague aspects of the story 👌"

Thanks a lot, ℓуη��! That's nice of you to say. I'm happy you think so. It's a reread for me, so I'm picking up on things that I hadn't noticed before. It's also an audiobook, meaning it's slower, and I'm not glossing over things like I would reading text :)

Jayson wrote: "Maja Ingrid wrote: "Does sound bit like the villain in an old classic or children's book, lol."

Does seem to work the same way. You know, mothers telling their kids to be good or else Voldemort wi..."

Sometimes mothers do what they gotta do. Including Voldemort horror tales in the Beedle the Bard story collection would certainly make it a tad bit darker, lol.

Maja Ingrid wrote: "Sometimes mothers do what they gotta do. Including Voldemort horror tales in the Beedle the Bard story collection would certainly make it a tad bit darker, lol."

I'd certainly read that! Can't be darker than most Grimms' Fairy Tales. I'm sure given time, like many of history's villains, Voldemort would pass into wizard folklore, and a latter day Beadle would make that book happen :)

Jayson wrote: "Maja Ingrid wrote: "Sometimes mothers do what they gotta do. Including Voldemort horror tales in the Beedle the Bard story collection would certainly make it a tad bit darker, lol."

I'd certainly ..."

They'd likely edit it some, like most Grimm's tales has been. Of course originals will be available in more obscure editions :D Would def read!

Maja Ingrid wrote: "They'd likely edit it some, like most Grimm's tales has been. Of course originals will be available in more obscure editions :D Would def read!."

Jayson wrote: "Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I mean... I do expect Dumstrang had brought more teachers than just Karkaroff... at least one would think they did."

That's interesting to consider. I think that's pos..."

Only twelve went? I've always had the idea there were more... like a class or a year.

In that case, yes, one teacher seems enough. Given that Hogwarts provided the rest of the things a school would need.

I honestly can't think of why they would need someone else. Which brings us back to your question, what happened after the Tournament?

Maybe someone from Hogwarts - or the Ministry - went with them to return them to Bulgaria?

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "Only twelve went? I've always had the idea there were more... like a class or a year."

With about five male and five female students per house per year at Hogwarts, that would be 40 per year. If Durmstrang is a smaller or more exclusive school, it's possible that 12 could represent an entire year of students.

Once Harry was chosen by the Goblet of Fire, Karkaroff complains that he should have been able to bring a larger selection of students with him. Meaning that there were students of eligible age that were not taken, possibly from the year below if he only took final year students.

Though, given the geographic scope of Durmstrang, I think a year of students would be closer to the Hogwarts number, if not more.

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "Maybe someone from Hogwarts - or the Ministry - went with them to return them to Bulgaria?"

I'm not sure. Being the end of the book, I've not reached that part yet. Possibly someone was dispatched from Bulgaria to accompany them. Since their location is secret to outsiders, I wouldn't think it'd be someone from the Ministry.

Jayson wrote: "Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "Only twelve went? I've always had the idea there were more... like a class or a year."

With about five male and five female students per house per year at Hogwarts, th..."

Yeah, I mean, if everyone they took was someone they thought as worth it or capable of winning the Triwizard Tournament, then it comes to reason it would be such a short selection and not take the whole class.

Yeah, I suppose it wouldn't have been too difficult for someone form Dumstrang to arrive to take them back. Especially if there was anything to settle because of everything that happens at the end of the book.

You know, reading your updates is making me actually think about a lot of details of these books that I had not paid attention to when I first read them. It's really cool :D

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "You know, reading your updates is making me actually think about a lot of details of these books that I had not paid attention to when I first read them. It's really cool :D"

Thanks so much, Alexandra! I'm happy you're enjoying them. Doing daily updates really forces me to stop and think about what I just read, just to come up with something to say. It's a useful exercise for me, especially on rereads. Usually I don't think about books I read until I have to write reviews :)

Jayson wrote: "Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "You know, reading your updates is making me actually think about a lot of details of these books that I had not paid attention to when I first read them. It's really co..."

I am so enjoying them XD

Me too, well, kinda? I mean, I think about what I want to write in the review as I'm reading the book -talking to myself - as it helps me to not forget something I really wanted to mention but usually I put the more thought into it when I actually need to write the review.

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I am so enjoying them XD

Me too, well, kinda? I mean, I think about what I want to write in the review as I'm reading the book -talking to myself - as it helps me to not forget something I really wa..."

Yeah, especially with very long books it can be easy to forget things that happened earlier, which often has the effect of making reviews mostly about the end. I have sort of a rule where every fifty pages I'll stop to take a page of notes, then I'll read it all before writing my review. I find that's been a helpful habit to have. But then, everyone has a different routine about reviews. Perhaps I'll follow your lead for my next book and start thinking out loud. Verbalizing ideas audibly is widely seen to help comprehension :)

Jayson wrote: "Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I am so enjoying them XD

Me too, well, kinda? I mean, I think about what I want to write in the review as I'm reading the book -talking to myself - as it helps me to n..."

I'm terrible at stopping and taking notes. I have tried it before but I end up getting too much into the book and forgetting XD

Yeah, speaking it out loud helps because you hear it, repeat it, and at the same time you kind of compos it. It works for me. Hopefully, it can help you too :D

Tell me about it *lol* long books are tough cookies to review for sure. I think that unless something really impressive happens right at the beginning -unlikely - it's easier to remember the ending because it's where the climax of the book is located. Of course, that works perfectly fine for the book but it does make our reviewer lives a little harder at times.

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I'm terrible at stopping and taking notes. I have tried it before but I end up getting too much into the book and forgetting XD"

That happens to me a lot too. It helps that I'm the kind of person who likes to write with pen and paper, and sort of vomit thoughts on paper to brainstorm and clear my mind. Sort of like Dumbledore and the pensieve. Notebooks are essentially my pensieve :)

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "Yeah, speaking it out loud helps because you hear it, repeat it, and at the same time you kind of compos it. It works for me. Hopefully, it can help you too :D"

I already have a sense that it'll work since I will always read my reviews out loud to make sure they sound nice. Often times things will look good on paper but sound horrible when you read them out loud. With my reviews I'm always more concerned about them sounding nice rather than being strict about grammar.

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I think that unless something really impressive happens right at the beginning -unlikely - it's easier to remember the ending because it's where the climax of the book is located."

One thing that was an unintended consequence of using gifs in my updates is that I can just scroll through them and get refreshed on the entire book really quickly. Of course, not every book has gifs at the ready like this series, but when possible it'll be something I'd like to keep doing.

Jayson wrote: "Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I'm terrible at stopping and taking notes. I have tried it before but I end up getting too much into the book and forgetting XD"

That happens to me a lot too. It helps..."

Notebooks been your pensive is a really cool thought XD I also love writing by hand a bit more than in a device, so whenever I can I use that. It helps me clear my thoughts better and be more engaged when I'm writing.

That's something I try to do whenever possible. Reading my reviews out loud before I post them. For one, I have the bad habit that sometimes I'll think faster than I write and, therefore, I end up eating words and whatever I wrote makes no sense whatsoever *lol* and, as you said, sometimes things will look nice on paper but out loud make no sense.

Updates are something really handy indeed. I use some gif - to express my emotions - or a fanart - if the book has it - whenever I feel that particular itch but almost always will add a quote before so I can reference what I was reading.

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I also love writing by hand a bit more than in a device, so whenever I can I use that. It helps me clear my thoughts better and be more engaged when I'm writing."

Yes, there's actually solid science behind the idea that writing by hand aids cognitive ability. Children, for example, who write by hand at an early age have better developed brains. It's just a more direct connection to your thoughts and the best way to express them tangibly.

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I use some gif - to express my emotions - or a fanart - if the book has it - whenever I feel that particular itch but almost always will add a quote before so I can reference what I was reading."

I'm a big proponent of using quotes. It gives people not only a taste of the story but a flavor of the writing style. I'll do the same thing with graphic novels where I'll post a picture, which to me is as much a representative part of storytelling as prose text or dialogue.

Jayson wrote: "Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "I also love writing by hand a bit more than in a device, so whenever I can I use that. It helps me clear my thoughts better and be more engaged when I'm writing."

Yes,..."

Didn't know the study but it makes total sense. I'm definitely making my children - future - write by hand as much as they can.

Adding images to graphic novels/comics updates is a great idea! I've always struggled in how to properly update those because there's hardly any quote to put -not that they don't have deep thoughts as well - but the idea of putting an image is great.

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "Didn't know the study but it makes total sense. I'm definitely making my children - future - write by hand as much as they can."

Cool, I'm happy to hear that!

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "Adding images to graphic novels/comics updates is a great idea! I've always struggled in how to properly update those because there's hardly any quote to put -not that they don't have deep thoughts as well - but the idea of putting an image is great."

I actually started doing it because of laziness. Originally, I had just transcribed dialogue for quotes. But than I decided it would be faster if I just posted the image. lol. It was afterward that I came to see that it was good for more than just dialogue :)

Jayson wrote: "Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "Didn't know the study but it makes total sense. I'm definitely making my children - future - write by hand as much as they can."

Cool, I'm happy to hear that!

Alexand..."

Laziness does bring some great ideas with it *lol*

Alexandra Elend Wolf wrote: "Laziness does bring some great ideas with it *lol*"

Lol, yes, that's very often true :)