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Macbeth by William Shakespeare
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There are two reasons to love this play.

The first reason is Lady Macbeth. Man, that girl has got it goin� on. Have you ever found yourself in the running for, say, a new position that’s opened up at your company, a position for which you—along with one of your equally worthy colleagues, perhaps—might qualify? You may not have given much thought to your professional advancement before, but now that this promotion has been dangled before you, it has ignited a spark of ambitious desire. Imagine the possibilities! And it is just within your grasp...if only there were a way to edge out the competition. Maybe you could sabotage a project he’s working on. Or you could discredit him by rumoring of his incompetence. Better yet, you could off him in the parking garage. But each of these strategies requires a certain level of gumption to execute, a level not everyone possesses. This is where it pays to be married to Lady Macbeth. All she would need is a mere mention of this potential uptick in your career path and she’s off and running, drafting the schematics, telling you where to stand (just outside the stairwell, across from his car, within easy reach of the tire iron lying in the corner that can be used while he’s distractedly sifting through his keys). Why doesn’t she do it herself, you ask? Well, why should she? It’s not her job. Her job is to support you, to boost your confidence, to supply that additional gumption. You’re the one who has to do the dirty work.

Lady Macbeth is an amazing character. I’ve seen reviews on here that criticize her for being the morally reprehensible of the two protagonists, planting ideas in her husband’s head that he would not have otherwise formed, encouraging him toward evil deeds that he would not have otherwise committed. I disagree. She may have made a mistake helping to plan Duncan’s murder, but if anything Lady Macbeth is the one with her moral faculties still intact—she exhibits a profound sense of remorse at the end of the play that Macbeth recognizes as nothing short of an ailment for which to seek a cure. While Macbeth is off slaughtering anyone who might threaten his regal standing, his wife is at home rubbing the fuck out of her hands until the blisters explode and she suffocates in a pool of her own pus.

The second reason to love this play is the eloquence of the language. There are passages in this play that describe human emotion so briefly yet so profoundly it triggers goosebumps. These are some of my favorites:
On expressing one’s grief:
What, man! ne’er pull your hat upon your brows;
Give sorrow words: the grief that does not speak
Whispers the o’er-fraught heart and bids it break.


On not having enough gumption:
Yet do I fear thy nature;
It is too full o� the milk of human kindness
To catch the nearest way: thou wouldst be great;
Art not without ambition, but without
The illness should attend it.


On contemplating ambition’s worth:
Nought’s had, all’s spent,
Where our desire is got without content:
’Tis safer to be that which we destroy
Than by destruction dwell in doubtful joy.


On being past the point of no return:
All causes shall give way: I am in blood
Stepp’d in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.


On the futility of life:
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


On the finality of death:
There’s nothing serious in mortality:
All is but toys: renown and grace is dead;
The wine of life is drawn, and the mere lees
Is left this vault to brag of.


I said in the comments section of my Hamlet review that I was preferring Hamlet to Macbeth. While I think I prefer the character of Hamlet to that of Macbeth, I no longer stand by that statement in terms of the play itself. Macbeth really is a masterpiece.
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Reading Progress

January 22, 2011 – Shelved
April 7, 2012 – Shelved as: for-kindle
November 25, 2012 – Shelved as: 2012
Started Reading
November 29, 2012 – Shelved as: reviewed
November 29, 2012 – Shelved as: thrill-me-chill-me-fulfill-me
November 29, 2012 – Finished Reading

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Jason A mini-one. I finished Hamlet this morning and loved it. Shakespeare is way better than I remember him being in high school. =)


Kate LaClair I'll be re-reading both this spring. You should have waited for me! Have you read the Tempest already?


Jason Not yet. What else are you teaching this year? I think you might have given me a short list at one time, but I don't remember which thread.


Kate LaClair Finishing up Song of Solomon now, and will start As I Lay Dying after that. Then Death of a Salesman, Slaughterhouse Five, Macbeth and Heart of Darkness (in AP). Much ado, Hamlet, the Tempest, and Henry V in Shakespeare, and Gatsby, Mother Night, F 451 and The Thing They Carried in American Studies.


Jason Give me a heads up for Bradbury and O'Brien (those last two). I'd like to read them with you.


Jason Because you didn't have Mrs. LaClair as your AP English teacher!

Kate, do you get to choose your curricula or is it determined by the school?

High school is a complete clusterfuck of memories, but here is what I remember reading for sure:

The Awakening
Heart of Darkness
The Plague
The Metamorphosis
The Sound and the Fury
Native Son
Tess of the D'Urbervilles
Jane Eyre
Wuthering Heights
Frankenstein
Beowulf (parts of it)
The Canterbury Tales (parts of it)
Gulliver's Travels (parts of it)
The Jungle - I fucked off and never read this. I'll make up for it, though.
The Stranger
Dubliners
1984
Animal Farm
Brave New World
The Great Gatsby
No Exit
Romeo and Juliet
Henry V
To Kill a Mockingbird
Death of a Salesman
The Crucible
The Scarlet Letter - I hated this book so much I refused to finish it.
Of Mice and Men
A Tale of Two Cities
A Christmas Carol
The Secret Sharer
Night
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Ethan Frome
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Dead Man Walking
Ordinary People
The Chocolate War
A Separate Peace
Flowers for Algernon
The Picture of Dorian Gray
The Catcher in the Rye
The Turn of the Screw
Lord of the Flies
Snowballin': I Fucked Frosty

Kidding about that last one (just wanted to see if you were still paying attention.)

My junior high school and my high school were the same school so I don't remember exactly if some of those books might have been readin the 8th grade instead of the 9th or whatever. Also, some of that was summer reading. But still mandatory.

Kate, I'm glad you're reading Mother Night. I think I've said this before, but it's my favorite Vonnegut (so far).


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Jonathan Terrington Nice review Jason, excellent point about Lady Macbeth.

What I learnt from Shakespeare so far about career opportunities is this (without trying to spoil too much):

Hamlet - It's perfectly fine to seek advice from ghosts who may or may not be your father
Macbeth - Be willing to kill anyone standing in your way for any career opportunity
The Merchant of Venice - It's not a wise idea to gamble your health on your work
King Lear - Your daughters are trouble...serious trouble
Othello - There's always someone whispering behind your back (and to your young wife - I think)
A Midsummer Night's Dream - Don't go off with the fairies or you'll like the girl/guy you didn't before and end up looking like a real ass.


message 8: by Jason (last edited Nov 30, 2012 05:43AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jason Jonathan wrote: "What I learnt from Shakespeare so far about career opportunities is this (without trying to spoil too much):"

Also, Macbeth: Never trust a man born of Caesarian section.


David Great review. Great play.

I’ve seen reviews on here that criticize her for being the morally reprehensible of the two protagonists, planting ideas in her husband’s head that he would not have otherwise formed, encouraging him toward evil deeds that he would not have otherwise committed. I disagree.

I hate when people make this dumb argument. It implies that the temptation to do wrong is somehow at fault for the wrongdoer's acquiescence. This is a child's rationale. ('He made me do it!')

And the idea was 'planted' in Macbeth's head before he even saw his wife again...

I am thane of Cawdor:
If good, why do I yield to that suggestion
Whose horrid image doth unfix my hair
And make my seated heart knock at my ribs,
Against the use of nature? Present fears
Are less than horrible imaginings:
My thought, whose murder yet is but fantastical,
Shakes so my single state of man that function
Is smother'd in surmise, and nothing is
But what is not.



message 10: by David (last edited Nov 30, 2012 05:48AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

David I do think that witches' attempt to equate a Cesarean section with 'not being born of woman' is pretty lame though. I guess that's what makes them witches... They don't play by the rules.


Jason David wrote: "I hate when people make this dumb argument. It implies that the temptation to do wrong is somehow at fault for the wrongdoer's acquiescence. This is a child's rationale. ('He made me do it!')"

It's kind of like Adam and Eve, right? The capacity for 'evil' (to the extent that eating an apple is evil) has to have already been present. The serpent ain't puttin' no gun to yo' head.


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Eh?Eh! Jason wrote: "High school is a complete clusterfuck of memories, but here is what I remember reading for sure:

The Awakening
Heart of Darkness
The Plague
The Metamorphosis
The Sound ..."


You read ALL that in high school?? Was it home school? Or some kind of "gifted" curriculum? I can't imagine my teachers assigning that sort of list over the years and expecting any kind of fulfillment of it. I read a lot, but I know lots of my classmates didn't. Wow.


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Jason Eh?Eh! wrote: "You read ALL that in high school?? Was it home school? Or some kind of "gifted" curriculum?"

Why, is that a lot? Like I said, some of them could have extended back to junior high (because my school was 7th through 12th). And a lot of those are novellas. Just summer reading alone was about 3 to 4 books per summer, though. I was in AP and Honors English, too, so I dunno—maybe that had something to do with it. I never checked the curriculum of the regular English classes for comparison.


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Eh?Eh! Is that a lot, he says.


Jason Haha, I think it just looks like a lot but spread out over 4 to 6 years, it's not that much. Right??


message 16: by Eh?Eh! (last edited Nov 30, 2012 08:30AM) (new)

Eh?Eh! It's not that much, he squeals.

LGM.


Jason Well I would say probably a dozen of those were just senior year alone. That was an intense class. So the rest? is like 6 books per year: 3 during school and 3 over the summer. Not so bad. And look�3 of those we only read parts of. And another handful of them are pretty short novellas.


Jason Oh, look, I missed one! I forgot to add When Bad Things Happen to Good People! I went to a Catholic school, you see.


Jason Why am I defending my high school reading list to you people? That's what I'd like to know!


Jason Hmpf. I didn't say I didn't like Hamlet better. :) I just don't think Macbeth is inferior. Am I waffling by not choosing which play I like better? Do I really have to choose? For that I would need more time...we'll see which one rises to the forefront of my memory as time passes.

I like the witches, though. I don't think the plot depends on them (to the extent that things would have gone down any differently had they not put a bug in Macbeth's ear), but I do think it adds something to the play that Macbeth puts so much stock in their divinations.

The Lady Macduff part was important in giving credence to Macduff's grief later on, I think. At least for me, I was moved by his grief and I'm not sure I would have been if that scene hadn't been there. I loved your take on it, though, in your own review: " A shining example of what happens to women who dither when faced with a challenge (when a messenger arrives and tells you to run, don't talk, run, you idiot)."


Richard Jason wrote: "... All she would need is a mere mention of this potential uptick in your career path and she’s off and running, drafting the schematics, telling you where to stand (just outside the stairwell, across from his car, within easy reach of the tire iron lying in the corner that can be used while he’s distractedly sifting through his keys)..."

Or she might tell you to use that giant vegetable you just happen to be carrying around all day. "Is that a gourd I see before me?" Hmmm...


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Kim Great review! I've always taken it for granted that I prefer Hamlet and Othello to Macbeth. On the other hand, every production I've seen of Macbeth has been great. Except for the one set in space, with shiny silver spacesuit costumes. That one sucked.


Jason Macbeth in space??! Wow, that sounds insane(ly bad).


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B0nnie Wow Jason that high school reading list is crazy impressive. My daughter is in IB english and right now they're reading The Kite Runner. And Othello, probably as the antidote.


Jason What is IB English?


David Irritable Bowel English.

Duh.


Maureen great review, jason! i did an edit on an online course studying macbeth, romeo and juliet and hamlet two summers ago (they packaged it with print-bound graphic novel versions of the text -- one full text version, one scaled-down simplified text version) but when i was tagging the content, i became obsessed with the third murderer in act III. there are various theories as to who the third murderer is -- did you give any thought to it when you were reading the play?


Richard Jason wrote: "What is IB English?"

IB = International Baccalaureate.

But I like David's version better.


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Mir Jason wrote: "A mini-one. I finished Hamlet this morning and loved it. Shakespeare is way better than I remember him being in high school. =)"

Is anything better in high school?


Jason This is a great question, Mo! At first, I thought the 'third murderer' was a spy or a traitor, someone who was going to try to foil Macbeth's plans (i.e. not a real murderer). But then when that didn't happen, I kind of just forgot about it and assumed maybe Macbeth just sent a third person cuz he's a paranoid fuck. But yeah, that's a really interesting part of the plot there.


Jason Miriam wrote: "Is anything better in high school?"

Which is why I have a short list of high school books on my 'to-read' shelf. But also because I forget what they're about.


Richard Miriam wrote: "Jason wrote: "A mini-one. I finished Hamlet this morning and loved it. Shakespeare is way better than I remember him being in high school. =)"

Is anything better in high school?"


Usually male pattern baldness hasn't set in yet. If one is lucky.


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Kate LaClair It is a pretty impressive list, Jason. I don't think my honors students would be able to handle it, even spread out over four years.

I recommend the new Patrick Stewart version of Macbeth. A really interesting re-imagining, with a very creepy lady Macbeth. The Roman Polanski version interprets Ross as the 3rd murderer, which is interesting.

When we talk about Macbeth in AP we really focus on the question of whether the witches make things happen or only predict them. Paired with Slaughterhouse Five, we have great discussions about fate versus free will, and whether fate absolves people of their wrong doings.


Jason I'd love to be a fly on the wall for some of those discussions, Kate.


Jonathan Terrington Miriam wrote: "Is anything better in high school?"

Some people's academic results perhaps :P


Les Excellent review, Jason! Wonderful to read about your adventures with the bard. I too was blown away by your HS reading list. I truly went to Dunce Cap High.


Richard Yes, I'm gabberflasted by the list as well. I sampled a few of these before college, but not many.


Maureen maybe it does depend on how many english courses you take? i took every possible one i could -- and read quite a lot of the same books on jason's list in high school -- swapping out some, of course, and adding a bunch of canadian novels (ones you probably know: apprenticeship of duddy kravitz, handmaid's tale, fifth business, and plays -- leaving home, fortune and men's eyes). plus waiting for godot and bunch of theatre of the absurd: ionesco, pinter, albee, and of course, rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead -- to bring it back to shakespeare. :)

re: the third murderer! i think you're right that no matter who he actually is, the third murderer underscores macbeth's paranoid state of mind. i think i ultimately decided for seyton, but i did enjoy imagining it was macbeth himself even though that's not at all plausible. i haven't watched any of the film versions since i obsessed about it -- (ross, eh??!) what's wonderful about returning to shakespeare is you can always find new things to think about on re-reads, and that makes it all exciting again. :)


Jason Haha, I just realized I'm Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ Friends with my 11th grade English teacher. I wonder if he sees these posts or if he has me hidden from his feed. Hello, Mr Guevremont!


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Gary Jason wrote: "Because you didn't have Mrs. LaClair as your AP English teacher!

Kate, do you get to choose your curricula or is it determined by the school?

High school is a complete clusterfuck of memories, bu..."


I would be curious about if you chose the material or the school?

Wow, Jason, you had to read a lot,and a lot of great stuff for high school! Did you take honors English?
I read many of those, but not all of them. Many of them I read in college. I was a literature major till I changed to education, elementary. Read a lot,and also wrote a lot of papers. We did Dante's Inferno,and also THE ODDESSY AND THE ILIAD in one of my college classes. Had a prof say that all of Emily Dickinson's poems, every one is about menstration...... that still amazes me that he was honestly serious.....

Our high school where I live has watered down the curriculum so much, it's pathetic......the kids aren't expected to read much of anything decent.... the librarian at the public library threw all the classics away....and now students can't find them, unless they purchase them. I actually bought a copy of Fahrenheit 451 for a friend's daughter, cause she was gonna blow it off......and not read it....then when she did....she loved it!!!!!!!!
One of our snooty English teachers, who both my sons had......and she thought she was all that, wouldn't even entertain considering doing HUCKLEBERRY FINN. My son is finally reading it to study in college,and told me that damn teacher should have had them do that one..... she married a doctor,and quit teaching....no great loss.......(I read both Tom Sawyer and Huck to my sons outloud , when they were kids,and we discussed them because I knew our lame high school wouldn't.)

I really believe schools need to really bring the classics back....get this.......I know someone that had to read, discuss,and write a paper on a Nora Roberts novel in an American Literature class......wtf.......


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Gary Kate, do you chose the material to use? Or the school?


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Gary Jason....I am amazed you read THE SOUND AND THE FURY in high school....Have you read it since? What did you think?

Did you know there is a huge collection of Faulkner's 1st edition books,and other things at a small University in Missouri? I have been there. They have shelves after shelves floor to ceiling of books,and we spent 3 hours with the Professor talking about Faulkner......

I can share their website if you're interested....


s.penkevich Phenomenal review. When I was in 5th grade we put did Macbeth for our class play and I got to be Macbeth. It wasn't until I reread this in high school that I actually understood half of the lines that I had delivered (because seriously, Macbeth unedited for 5th graders, that's pretty heavy stuff ha), but I has always been a huge favorite of mine since then.

But, this review is poetic and excellent. Lady Macbeth is so cool. Also, have you ever seen Kurosawa's samurai rendition of Macbeth, ? Worth checking out.


Jason Gary, I know Kate offline—I'll ask her and get back to you.

I read The Sound and the Fury in high school and liked it a lot even though it is probably still the most frustrating book I've ever read, maybe even to date. But I might like it even more now, and find it less frustrating (although probably not), so I do intend to re-read it at some point.

Steve, thanks a lot for the compliment. I haven't seen Throne of Blood but I remember talking about this with you on someone else's review somewhere (not only do I not remember whose review it was, but I don't even remember who it was for!). I'll have to rent it.


Jason Oh—ha, wrong! It was on Liberty's review of King Lear. And you were talking about another Kurosawa adaptation of Shakespeare. Sorry, Penkí. I guess you like your Kurosawa!

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...


Jason Haha, Kate just told me she is the English Department Head. Go, Kate!


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Gary Yes, go Kate go! Wish she were the head of the dept at our high school,and gave the teachers a list of these books, and say this is what you are teaching....whip it into shope!


Brunhilde I found your thoughts on Lady Macbeth quite interesting. When I was first married (eons ago) I was told by many women that the secret to a good marriage is to always let him think it is his idea. Maybe they learned that from Lady Macbeth.
Shakespeare is amazing and always a fresh read. That is what makes him classic. No matter what phase of life you are in, or where you are from, there is universal truth to speak to your heart and circumstances.


Jason So true, Brunhilde. That Shakespeare is still relevant to folks living in even the year 2012 is a testament to him, for sure.


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