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Stoner by John  Williams
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I asked my daughter if me and her and her mother were in a hot air balloon and it was about to crash into the ocean who would you throw out to keep the balloon aloft, me or your mother? She said she’d throw me out. I said Why? She said Because you’re bigger than her. So I said okay, imagine that me and your mother weigh exactly the same, then who would you throw out? She said she’d throw me out. I said why? She said because you’re older, so you’ve had your fun. So I said okay, imagine that me and your mother weigh the same and we’re exactly the same age, now who would you throw out? She said she’d throw me out. I asked why? She said because you keep asking all these stupid questions. So I gave up on that line of enquiry and read Stoner, a much loved novel.

It’s about this teacher. Boy, do people like to wax sentimental about teachers. There’s Mr Chips in Goodbye Mr Chips and there’s John Keating in Dead Poets Society and that’s just off the top of my head. William Stoner in this sorry tale is a Missouri farm boy who goes to university to study agriculture then gets smacked upside his head by one of Shakespeare’s sonnets and never looks back. He becomes a worshipper at the shrine of literature, with a capital L and becomes a teacher of it.

This is the kind of study of Literature where a student will announce

I intend to trace Shelley’s first rejection of Godwinian necessitarianism for a more or less Platonic ideal through the mature use of that ideal as a comprehensive synthesis of his earlier atheism, radicalism, Christianity and scientific necessitarianism

You at the back wake up! I’m not even half way done with this damned review. Well, university English departments did and maybe still do crank out students who write this sort of abstruse shite and it’s all just as useful as the great theological treatises about the nature of the Logos in St John’s left earhole or whether it was 5000 herrings or 5000 cod in the feeding of the 5000. What a colossal waste of time.

HE FELT AT TIMES THAT HE WAS A KIND OF VEGETABLE
(p. 184)

Yes, I could not but agree, possibly a leek or a radish or a turnip or a mangel wurzel. Stoner is exactly what a vegetable would be if a vegetable could be a junior professor in English at the University of Missouri. He plods dully through his life in a very vegetably way. He sees a pretty girl at the age of around 25, having apparently never seen one before, and thinks “I…will…marry…that� and does so. This turns out to be a giant MISTAKE.

Like Smokey Robinson said in 1961

Gotta get yourself a bargain son
Don't be sold on the very first one
Pretty girls come a dime a dozen
Try to find one who's gonna give ya true lovin'
Before you take a girl and say I do now
Make sure she's in love with you now
My mama told me
You better shop around


In all fairness, William’s mother never gave him this advice as she was still down on the farm rassling with the piglets. Edith, the bride, turns out to be the very dictionary definition of damaged goods. Some readers think she’s simply bonkers but John Williams puts in a scene which clearly shows where her fear and hatred of men has come from, and it was all very sadly believable.
So poor old Bill. He’s married a cross between Joan Crawford in Mommie Dearest and Glen Close in Fatal Attraction. No bunnies are harmed during this novel, it is true, but there is a strong suggestion that Edith would have boiled up a dozen if only she’d have thought of it.
Oh and then Bill Stoner gets embroiled in a ridiculous trench war in the English department, the upshot of which is that now his boss also hates him and spends 25 years making sure his professional life is a misery.

What a pickle! Hated by wife and boss! Onward plods the vegetable, through the rest of his painful life.



For the first half I had to agree with the vast majority of 4 & 5 starrers of Stoner. It was weirdly compelling. It was boring but kinda hypnotic, like Donna Tartt’s Secret History. It was boring in an interesting way. But jeez, then it all becomes a little too much. If it’s a plot spoiler I will say that for 30 pages or so our Bill is actually HAPPY! But you know and I know that won’t last and we’ll be back to stoically enduring and gritting teeth and shoulder to the wheel. So the stars began to fade away and by the last page Stoner was very lucky to hang on to his third star.
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May 16, 2017 – Started Reading
May 17, 2017 – Shelved
May 17, 2017 – Shelved as: novels
May 17, 2017 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Miriam (new)

Miriam Smith (A Mother’s Musings) Haha brilliant review 😊


Paul Secor Reading your review made me wonder why I gave this novel three stars. But it's done now and I won't take any back.


message 3: by Greta G (new)

Greta G Your daughter is even funnier than her father.


Paul Bryant yeah well that's a matter of opinion


Dave Schaafsma Now, now, both of them are funny.... great review.


message 6: by Srdjan (new) - added it

Srdjan Smajic Paul, I love this novel--but I also love your review of it. Ouch!


Speranza You should be thrown out of a balloon for robbing poor Stoner of his five stars! :-)


Bernadette Jansen op de Haar Paul, interesting that you think Stoner faded away at the end. Actually he does but, in my opinion, the book doesn't at all. I think the last pages feature one of the best deathbed scenes I've ever read.


Paul Bryant so they say, but I have confessed before that I have a heart of stone. I did not even laugh at the death of Little Nell.


Cecily Greta wrote: "Your daughter is even funnier than her father."

LOL. Too small a sample size - so far. Keep us posted, Paul.


Angela M Fantastic review ! I did give it 4 stars but in retrospect, I probably should have given it three.


message 12: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant my intention is to argue all you profligate star-bestowers down from your 4s and 5s to the correct 3 rating! Man alive, was this novel overpraised. Not sure why, but everybody loves an overlooked classic.


Agnieszka Hmm, I wonder about what my heart is made of then ? I gave it even lower rating...


message 14: by Paul (last edited May 19, 2017 12:47AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant you wrote a spot on review - I think 2.5 stars is the right rating. Unless someone wants to argue me down to a plain two stars? One thing which really bugged me was all this drip about Stoner loving literature when the only glimpses of his work were about some completely dry boring technical matters regarding Latin and medieval prose. Maybe he was in love with grammar. I don't like the word literature but if it means anything it means great writing - you might think if Literature was such a big part of this guy's life we'd get a little idea of who he thought of as great writers. but no, not a peep. So it was like Literature = Religion, which as we know is a private matter which cannot be discussed. What pompous rubbish.


message 15: by Lara (new)

Lara Oy


message 16: by Warwick (new)

Warwick I've been waiting for this review…for some reason all the raves felt like they weren't convincing me, but this, this I can get behind.


message 17: by Paul (last edited May 19, 2017 10:51AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant 100% trustworthy reviews 24 hours a day 7 days a week - like the man said, I didn't come here to fool ya


message 18: by Elsie (new)

Elsie Hallsworth My 2017 reading goal, based on this review, is to read a 'Paul's review' weekly.
Honestly, this is better than 90% of the books I have read and lived in my 49 years on the planet.
Publish a book of book reviews, I beg of you.
Yours,
A. Fan


message 19: by Elsie (new)

Elsie Hallsworth **this review is better than 90%.....


message 20: by Fionnuala (last edited May 20, 2017 02:01AM) (new) - added it

Fionnuala Paul wrote: "...One thing which really bugged me was all this drip about Stoner loving literature when the only glimpses of his work were about some completely dry boring technical matters regarding Latin and medieval prose. Maybe he was in love with grammar. I don't like the word literature but if it means anything it means great writing - you might think if Literature was such a big part of this guy's life we'd get a little idea of who he thought of as great writers. but no, not a peep... "

Exactly! You've perfectly described what turned out to be my main gripe with this book.
But, hold on. Was that my main gripe? Wasn't it instead the way the author had Stoner pick his wife? Or the way the author wallowed in making him such a victim? Or�? I could go on and on ;-(


message 21: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant I don't really understand the Big Love this novel eventually got. One of the things I want to get round to doing is make a list of all the books & movies that the whole world loves except me, and find out if there's some connection. I often get the feeling I'm on some other planet.


message 22: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant oh by the way, thank you Karen..!


message 23: by Erin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin Not a very convincing review, unfortunately, for once, but the hot air balloon story is gold! Wasn't sure if the review was supposed to be all po-mo and that was the strangely compelling start? I've never believed that Johnson's tutor's quote was ever meant to apply to anecdotes.


message 24: by Paul (last edited May 20, 2017 02:38PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant Hi Erin - I would not want to convince anyone who rated this 4 stars that they should remove one whole star. I mean if you like this kind of thing then this is going to be the kind of thing that you like. That's clear, surely. Although I have just come back from the pub so it might not be as clear tomorrow morning.


message 25: by Erin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin Your reply was perfectly clear, certainly. Was TerrillEP at the pub as well, though, I wonder? Seems to have completely misinterpreted what I wrote.


message 26: by Erin (last edited May 20, 2017 06:37PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin Well you did write that some of us have to face the fact that we're not likable. I soberly ask you to explain your brilliant original reply; maybe I misinterpreted it?


message 27: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant hmmm.... what would Stoner have done?


message 28: by Jan (new)

Jan Rice Thanks to your review, I don't feel bad about not having read this, Paul. And special thanks for the inclusion of Shop Around.


message 29: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant Hi Jan - thanks - coming soon - a review of War and Peace including What becomes of the Broken hearted


message 30: by Jan (new)

Jan Rice This has definite possibilities. A review of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire with "It Ain't Heavy, It's Your History" (in the style of "He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother")


message 31: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant Hi Jan again - I did already review a Graham Greene novel using the lyrics of the Supremes and the Four Seasons - you may like it...

/review/show...


message 32: by Jan (new)

Jan Rice I'll check it out, Paul. Definitely the kind of thing to get the association machine going.


message 33: by Michael (new) - added it

Michael Perkins I enjoy your meaningful dissent and humor, Paul. Your reviews are always fun to read.


message 34: by Erin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin Because the original reply wasn't so meaningful or funny in the first place, I guess, TerrillEP, as your subsequent comments would seem to indicate? Everybody loves when new ŷ trolls try to play Bartleby. (Don't worry, you should get that reference; it was likely on your high school syllabus.) Sorry, Paul, didn't realize this would degenerate so quickly.


message 35: by Erin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin Also, Paul, wanted to add that if it wasn't for you and the vegans, I wouldn't have looked up that a rutabaga is a hybrid of a turnip and a sixteenth century cabbage, so thanks for that, as well.


message 36: by Jan (new)

Jan Rice Paul wrote: "Hi Jan again - I did already review a Graham Greene novel using the lyrics of the Supremes and the Four Seasons - you may like it...

/review/show..."


I did like it. Thanks, Paul.
Also, it happened that right after this discussion I ran across a professional reviewer using Leonard Cohen's song "The Future" (with which I'd been unfamiliar but not anymore) to help with his review of How Repentance Became Biblical: Judaism, Christianity, and the Interpretation of Scripture, by David A. Lambert.


message 37: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant The Future is one of Leonard's political statements, like First we Take Manhattan and Democracy (Chorus : Democracy is coming to the U - S - A!) - all great stuff.


message 38: by Alex (new) - rated it 3 stars

Alex Exactly. just finished it. i cannot agree with you more. "Boring in an interesting way" is the perfect characterisation, "vegetable" is the second one.


message 39: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant thanks Alex!


Alison S ☯️ I picked this book for one of my Book Groups. Ironically enough, they all loved it ( and still mention it now from time to time) but I was a bit "meh" about it as it depressed the hell out of me. I did find the ending very moving though. I loved the reviewer on this who summarised the plot as "Life's a bitch and then you die"!


message 41: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant That should have been the title of this novel.


message 42: by Lea (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lea I actually thought the first part was a bit boring and THEN it became amazing. Interesting.


message 43: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant you didn't think it became a gigantic miseryfest then?


message 44: by Liam (new)

Liam Damn it, I thought this was going to be a book about a stoner actually getting stoned, and going to see the 'Dead, or listening to some other "stoner music" (King Crimson, perhaps?), or getting "the munchies". Basically, a literary equivalent of Cheech & Chong. Thanx for the well-written warning, Paul- I might have bored myself to death trying to read this book!


message 45: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant well, could might just be that a novel about a stoner getting stoned would be even less interesting than this semi-turkey. There are so many novels that should have a BORE warning sticker (The Surgeon General has determined you may be bored when reading this printed matter).


message 46: by [deleted user] (new)

One must make note of the unstated, popular genre; "Overly depressing boredom for those confined with leprosy." This kind of crap makes them feel fortunate.


Zoeytron I loved this book, but that doesn't taint my enjoyment of your review. Your take on Edith was right on the money.


message 48: by Liam (new)

Liam Isn't 'The Future' the song where he sings that line which starts out "Give me crack and anal sex"? That album is not one of which I own a copy, although I have several by Leonard Cohen...


message 49: by Paul (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Bryant yes, that's it


message 50: by LA (last edited Apr 02, 2018 01:55PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

LA Alison wrote: "I picked this book for one of my Book Groups. Ironically enough, they all loved it ( and still mention it now from time to time) but I was a bit "meh" about it as it depressed the hell out of me. I..."

Oh my gosh! You just quoted me! Life's a bitch, then you marry one, THEN you die. Made my day!


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