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Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe by Benjamin Alire Sáenz
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it was ok
bookshelves: young-adult, contemporary, 2014

I have been saving this book. Just waiting for the right moment for us to come together and love one another. And this book is fine, I guess. It's okay. But I really don't see the magic that prompted so many five star ratings and literary awards.

It's weird because I was sure we were meant for each other. A Printz Honor book featuring a gay romance between two quirky characters - one of whom is a rough guy who gets into fights and has a complicated relationship with his father; the other being a sweet and sensitive boy who loves his poetry. Throw in some philosophical musings and a generous helping of poetic teen angst and you should be serving up a new favourite of mine, right?

Apparently not.

I love deep, complex and emotional contemporary YA that reminds me why I still read books aimed at teens. But, you know, I just didn't find this book as deep and meaningful as it was obviously trying to be. There were some intriguing passages thrown in that were clearly meant to tickle our inner emos, like:
“The problem with my life was that it was someone else’s idea.�

And:
“I wondered what it was we were laughing about. Was it just our names? Were we laughing because we were relieved? Were we happy? Laughter was another one of life’s mysteries.�

But it all felt like a good old example of trying too hard. The characters of Aristotle and Dante are two very different individuals who form an instant connection and go on to become close friends, but they never seemed like anything but caricatures of angsty teens with the pretentious poetry reading and frequent philosophical phrases that made me cringe.

The dialogue was particularly unrealistic. There are some writers who can pull off floaty poetic speech between their characters, and then there are those who fail to sound more than fake, overdone and scripted. In my opinion, this book was in the latter category. However, I feel this way about John Green and everyone seems to love him too, so it's hardly surprising that I once again find myself in the minority.

Not only does the constant waxing poetic feel a bit off, but the rest of the time we're treated to a choppy, fragmented narrative that gave me flashbacks to The Perks of Being a Wallflower. For example:

“When I got home, I sat on my front porch.
I watched the sun set.
I felt alone, but not in a bad way. I really liked being alone. Maybe I liked it too much. Maybe my father was like that too.
I thought of Dante and wondered about him.�

I think I get what this book was trying to do and I also get what many people probably thought it was doing... but I can point you towards authors who do a similar kind of thing and make it seem less cheesy and far more real and meaningful: A.S.King, Melina Marchetta, Matthew Quick and Sara Zarr, to name but a few. When compared to the works of those authors, these characters and this writing just pale in comparison. In my opinion, anyway.

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Reading Progress

October 4, 2013 – Shelved
September 13, 2014 – Started Reading
September 16, 2014 – Finished Reading

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Leah I just finished this! Interested to see how you feel about it. :)


Daniela I loved it, simple and effective... Hope you like it!!


Emily May Daniela wrote: "I loved it, simple and effective... Hope you like it!!"

Ah... sorry :(


message 4: by Boyanna (last edited Sep 16, 2014 01:58AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Boyanna Aw, too bad! Its a very good book.
I think the problem was that you approached it with too much expectations and that made you look at it more critically. Never mind, better luck next time (on the next book?), right!? :)


message 5: by Ravyn (new)

Ravyn I got excited that this was ACTUALLY about Aristotle and Dante, glad I didn't pick it up from Audible on an impulse.


message 6: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine Naw, that's such a shame you didn't like it as much as I did. ;-; Oh well.


Stuti Rai YES YES YES

I'm NOT ALONE IN THIS WORLD

THIS FEELS SO LIBERATING, DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND? I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO GOT TIRED OF ALL ZE MELODRAMA AND WRITING AND CHARACTERS.

<3


message 8: by Nikki (new) - added it

Nikki As somebody that genuinely enjoys and studies philosophy, I was kind of excited about a YA that incorporated that. But it doesn't look as though I'm going to be picking it up now.


message 9: by [deleted user] (new)

Sorry this one did not work out better for you!


Rogier Awe , you felt this way . It was just okay for me .

Tnx for the lovely review, emily


dyanne Definitely see where you're coming from, the flaws that you found in the book were also ones that I noticed. Of course, there were other parts of the book I genuinely liked, but I'm glad I'm not the only one in the world who isn't absolutely head-over-heels in love with this book.

Amazing review.


Camly Nguyen I really think you summed it up for me. I felt the exact same way!


message 13: by Arcanum Noctis (new)

Arcanum Noctis Shame, I felt exited about this book...


message 14: by H (new) - rated it 4 stars

H Was this book originally written in English? I did wonder if it had lost some of it's spark in translation...it was fine for me too but nothing ground breaking!


Emily May Heather wrote: "Was this book originally written in English? I did wonder if it had lost some of it's spark in translation...it was fine for me too but nothing ground breaking!"

Agreed. And yeah, pretty sure it was :)


shady boots I agree completely, Em. I thought this book would be perfect for me too, but it ended up being quite underwhelming.


message 17: by [deleted user] (new)

I agree completely with everything you said. The author was just trying way to hard and I didn't like his writing style at all!


message 18: by beesp (new) - rated it 1 star

beesp I have to say, I agree with your review. I think this was a really shallow book dressed as a philosophical, self-searching adventure. I couldn't empathize with the characters, the writing style was so sort of just not inherent with the story, things happened and the author didn't explain them. The thing that actually frustrates me, though, is SPOILER that it's a first person narrator story and the author thought making the gay revelation a kind of plot twist was a good idea. I hated that. It just seemed that Aristotle cared really not that much for Dante, that he was into girls, that he was depressed, that he also didn't know how to relate to Dante and that he decides he's gay when his parents tell him that (before then, he has NEVER questioned himself, which is basically all you ever do when you're a teenager). ARGH!! /SPOILER
So yeah. Hated the book XD


Doanne Somehow it felt forced. I liked that it was easy to read yet I couldn't connect with the characters and the ending was just thrown in there for them to have some sort of closure/acceptance. :P


Adeeb I really enjoyed it to be honest. However I agree with you about the authors you mentioned at the end of the review. The level of this book is nowhere as near as Matthew Quick or others. I loved Forgive Me, Leonard Peacock. It was my favorite 2014 book.


Emily May Adeeb wrote: "I really enjoyed it to be honest. However I agree with you about the authors you mentioned at the end of the review. The level of this book is nowhere as near as Matthew Quick or others. I loved Fo..."

I'm glad you enjoyed it :) I think maybe it was difficult for me not to compare it to similar books I loved so much more.


Michelle I feel the same way. I can't figure out why everyone liked it so much.


Invisible reader oh well i thought the book was amazing


Jealousy i kind of understand what you meant about the Perks of being a wallflower, while reading the book i was expecting something similar plot to the perks.

I even thought the reason why he acted that way was because his brother rape him, or maybe he has a father complex.

But because i guess ive approach it in a curios way, maybe because of its title, i don't know. i find this book really good. worth of my time, i can say, i hope you reread this book again and enjoy it the way we did.


Adriana I am sorry you did not feel the same


Alisi ☆ wants to read too many books ☆ I'm with you. I really expected to LOVE this book but it was completely meh imo.


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LaBioVaincra This review pinpoints what I thought while reading the book. I'm glad that it's not just because I'm emotionally blank or something.


Flavia Militaru I have to say, I just love your reviews because they point out exactly my feelings on some of the books. From now on I will check all of your reviews on high rated books before purchase them. Keep up the good job! ( and I will also check the authors you mentioned. Thanks a lot ) :)


Tiana Guzman I just started the book, and I already agree with you. To me, much of the writing seems forced, including the dialogue and it makes seem like it has no depth. I went on here to see if I'm not going crazy in thinking this because it has such high ratings and it was recommended to me.

Although I'm still gonna read the book. I'm only on page 56 so maybe my opinion would change.


Georgia  Zarkadaki I am not suprised you dont like this book.


Mickey I haven't been able to make it far in the book yet. I came to see what the reviews were like and was shocked to see it had a 4.3 rating? Am I totally missing something? I understand that the book can have a fantastic ending and I might be misjudging way too soon, but I like books that I enjoy the journey of. The floaty, nonrealistic writing---as you pointed out and I totally agree-- isn't doing it for me. It's written like the author learned how to write at a seminar, or is an avid fanfic reader. I'm not feeling it yet.


Peachies just because you can't relate, doesn't mean it's a bad book


message 33: by H (new) - rated it 4 stars

H Yeah and as she stated at the end of the review 'in my opinion anyway'


lasvamps thank GOD! I thought I was the only one who didn't like it ._.


Selena Orozco I agree


message 36: by a (new)

a THANK GOD. I am half way through the book and I am like why isn't this getting over ? I man it's fine and all but just painfully long to endure. I really had higher expectations


message 37: by Kirstie (new)

Kirstie I just picked this up to give it a go and right away knew it wasn't for me. I love deep books with big ideas and I'm in the mood for some ya fluff but I can not get into the unrealistic try hard writing style at all.


Melissa Totally agree! Felt a bit like it was trying too hard. It was good though. :)


Francis James I certainly agree with your review. I also thought that I would like this book from the time I picked it up at a bookshop but it failed to amaze me. I have actually decided to give the book away.


message 40: by T (new) - rated it 3 stars

T I just finished this book and biggest complaint was the dialogue. I also do agree that is wasn't super deep or complex. When I think about, I just remember all the characters laughing at everything.


message 41: by dp (new)

dp I honestly read the first three chapters and realized this wasn't for me, for many of the reasons you pointed out


tiffany f For me, it wasn't emotional enough.... it seemed cliche :/ I was disappointed


message 43: by Sam (new) - rated it 4 stars

Sam 1. Writing style was hard to get used to.
2. Sometimes the author would use a metaphor and I didn't get it at all.
3. Ari and Dante were laughing at everything (and for no reason most of the time).
4. Dialogue was hard to read for the first 200 pages or so. I guess I just got used to it.
5. I think this book is a good book. If all the previous problems were resolved, it could be a 5 star for me. I did like the characters (even if they seemed slightly underdeveloped).

*spoiler*

6. *spoiler* when Ari was explaining who his brother killed, he calls the prostitute a 'transvestite'. As this book is set in the late 1980s, I do get how a trans woman might be called a transvestite. But if the prostitute was genuinely a transvestite/crossdresser, well then I guess this point has no standing. But yeah it just rubbed me the wrong way.

It was a good book. I just wish I didn't have so many problems.


Cheryl B go read a comic or a cookbook, perhaps you'll enjoy more.


message 45: by Omar (new)

Omar Balimbingan I felt the same way. I finished this book for 4 hours straight reading and I really don't feel the struggle of Ari. The writing style is one my concerns but the characters are underdeveloped. I'm also disappointed of the ending. I want to know more about Bernardo though.


message 46: by Nick (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nick K I feel a lot was said IN BETWEEN the lines. ***SPOILERS***

He knew he was gay. He knew from an early point in his life. He just couldn't face it. I was a lot like him. The "choppy fragmented narrative" rang true to me because that is how some people talk. People who aren't great with words. They use simple words to convey impossibly large feelings. Could the narrative have been better? I guess. But then it wouldn't have been true to Ari. We wouldn't have gotten a genuine look inside his head.

and for "beesp", he didn't decide he was gay because his parents told him. He was given permission to be his authentic self when the two people he loved the most recognized it. He was able to look at the "thing" in him that he tried to avoid because he knew he'd have their support. When you are in the closet, you believe all these irrational fears about coming out, including your family and friends not loving you. And no, he never questioned himself because he already knew the answer and didn't want to face it.


A.D.T. I’m with you on this one. And John Green. Choppy/lack of ability to describe things. Reads like a robot wrote it.


Daniel I'm just starting it. You usually hit the nail on the head with your reviews, so that's too bad about this book. I borrowed the audiobook which is narrated by Lin-Manuel and was really excited! Maybe he will bring that extra something to it.


message 49: by Ҳë (new) - rated it 2 stars

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I share the same thoughts about this book. I felt like the writer was trying too hard to express feelings in a poetical and philosophical way, which made me cringe from time to time. I was expecting more, but on that level the book failed on me.

Keeping this aside, it is an “ok� read that definitely has some good and gripping parts in it


Adiba Your review was the only one close to honesty I could find about the book. It was all just an example of trying too hard. And it wouldn't have mattered hadn't there been so many five star ratings.


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