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Venetia by Georgette Heyer
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it was amazing
bookshelves: regency
Read 3 times. Last read June 6, 2019 to June 7, 2019.

June 2019 reread with the Georgette Heyer group!

News flash: I'm not 18 any more. So even though I still have a soft spot for romances in general and Regencies in particular, my appetite for reading about sweet, silly young girls who do brainless things and have Big Misunderstandings with the guy has dwindled to almost zero. When you're yelling "TALK TO EACH OTHER, PEOPLE" at a book, it's not particularly conducive to the romantic feelz.

Which brings me to Venetia. Venetia herself is one of my favorite Heyer heroines: intelligent, witty, resourceful and not easily fazed by events that would make most ladies throw up their hands in despair. She's 25 years old--just about on the shelf by Regency standards. Because her father was a damaged soul, Venetia has spent her entire life in a small town with a very limited circle of friends and acquaintances, but she's nevertheless well-read and socially adept, if rather innocent in the ways of the world.

Enter Damerel: an older man who's a confirmed rake and pretty much doesn't care about anything any longer. Or at least he thinks he doesn't, but underneath there's an intelligent, kind man that his growing friendship with Venetia brings out of hiding. He starts out intending to seduce her--hey, she's a lovely girl and he's bored--but his growing friendship with and respect for her and her brother soon make him realize that he can't do that. Which leads to a moral conundrum for Damerel: his life has been so reprehensible that he's no longer accepted in society, and marrying a sweet younger lady like Venetia would make people despise him even more, and shun them both.
"[I'm] something worse than a fool. Would that she could make of me a saint, or I of her a sinner-- For the first part it's too late, old friend, too late! And for the second--it was precisely my intention, and a rare moment this is to discover that if I could I would not!"
What to do? The resolution isn't as simple as you might expect.

It's lovely to watch Venetia's developing relationship with Damerel. They trade literary quotes and allusions and they just understand each other. Their relationship is in turns witty and heart-wrenching. And way sexier than any other Heyer romance I'm aware of! Heyer never gives you anything more than a kiss--no tangled tongues or groping or anything like that--but you can almost feel the heat rising off the pages when these two are together.

I loved both the humor and the literary allusions and references in this book. I think it's the most intelligently written of the Heyer books I've read. I can feel my brain cells multiplying while I read it. Or expanding. Whatever it is they do.

I found a handy online guide to the literary references in Venetia, which might help other readers too: . This was invaluable in keeping my brain cells from exploding from trying to expand too fast.

And I've changed my mind on this second read: Venetia gets all 5 stars.

P.S. re "orgies": at the end of the book(view spoiler)I read the scene again and personally I'm convinced that that's the right interpretation. Hope that helps!
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Reading Progress

2008 – Started Reading
2008 – Finished Reading
November 7, 2013 – Shelved
February 6, 2015 – Started Reading
February 7, 2015 –
page 63
16.41% "Trying to recall what they had talked of during that comfortable hour, it seemed to Venetia that they had talked of everything, or perhaps of nothing: she did not know which, but only that she had found a friend."
February 7, 2015 –
page 68
17.71% "On husbands having affairs:

"It has been most truly said that while your husband shows you tenderness you have no cause for complaint, and would be a zany to fall into despair because of what to him was a mere peccadillo. 'Never pry into what does not concern you, but rather look in the opposite direction!' "

Drove me nuts last time I read this book, and still does."
February 7, 2015 –
page 93
24.22% ""Wishing to kiss someone you never saw before in your life. It seems quite mad-brained to me, besides showing a sad want of particularity." She added charitably: "However, I daresay it is one of those peculiarities of gentlemen even of the first respectability which one cannot hope to understand, so I don't refine too much upon it.""
February 9, 2015 –
page 124
32.29% "He rode home prey to mixed emotions, his self-esteem so wounded by Venetia's parting speech that for at least a mile he was occupied with extensive plans for renouncing his allegiance, abjuring the society of her sex or perhaps cultivating it in a very cynical way, causing its members to attempt by every art known to them to discover what dark secret was hidden behind his marble front and sardonic sneer."
February 9, 2015 –
page 252
65.63% "The sense of struggling through the thickets of a nightmare again swept over her. There was a way out, so her heart's voice cried to her, and could she find it she would find also Damerel, her dear friend. But time was slipping away, in another minute it would be too late; and urgency acted not as a spur but as a creeping paralysis which clogged the mind, and weighted the tongue . . ."
February 10, 2015 – Shelved as: regency
February 10, 2015 – Finished Reading
June 6, 2019 – Started Reading
June 7, 2019 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Amy (new) - added it

Amy S Hooray, I'm always looking for a good Heyer. They are so hit and miss for me.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ I think Venetia is one of the better ones, and Arabella. I also like Devil's Cub, but it's because I adore the heroine and because my favorite scene in any Heyer book is at the end, when the heroine is explaining everything that's happened to a dryly sarcastic old gentleman. But the hero in that one is a kind of a jerk until Twue Wuv redeems him, so opinions of that book differ.


message 3: by Caz (new) - rated it 5 stars

Caz This has always been my favourite Heyer. And you're right - it's her sexiest book :)


Lady Wesley Also one of my favorite Heyers, along with Frederica and The Unknown Ajax.


Suzanne Lovely review of a wonderful book!


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Thanks to you all! Lady W, I really enjoyed The Unknown Ajax as well, but I can't remember reading Frederica. I'll have to look for that one.

And Amy, if you're still watching this thread, definitely read Venetia! Way better than the cheesefest we were discussing yesterday! ;)


message 7: by Lady Wesley (last edited Feb 10, 2015 10:26AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lady Wesley Tadiana wrote: "Thanks to you all! Lady W, I really enjoyed The Unknown Ajax as well, but I can't remember reading Frederica. I'll have to look for that one."

I also adore the audio versions of both books. Audio is especially effective with The Unknown Ajax, where so much of the plot revolves around the hero's broad Yorkshire accent.

I think that you'll like both the hero and heroine in Frederica, as they both are mature (for a romance). She is 26, I think, and he is 8 or 9 years older. She has a silly younger sister, but that's a minor part of the story.


message 8: by Kim (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kim Lovely review of my favourite Heyer, Tadiana.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ I think this has become my favorite Heyer, too, and the interesting thing is that it took a second read to really pop out at me. Glad I own this one!


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ I need to reread Frederica as well! it's different from this but also a grown up romance.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ BY THE WAY. Has anyone else noticed how horrible and inaccurate the GR blurb for Venetia is? Seriously, if I relied on that blurb to decide whether or not to read this book, I'm not sure I would have ever picked it up:

"At five-and-twenty, Venetia Lanyon despairs of ever meeting the handsome hero of her romantic dreams." --Never saw any despairing going on.

"Determined to woo and win the fair Venetia, Lord Damerel pursues her with a passionate abandon that is soon the talk of the town."
--"Passionate abandon"?? For real? What book was this person reading?

"But Venetia has no intention of losing her heart to the rakish lord until she is sure that beneath his swashbuckling ways and shocking manners lies a tender heart belonging to her."
--I can't even with this sentence. It's so completely unrelated to what was actually happening in this book.

Who do we talk to to get this changed? Lol!


message 12: by Hana (new) - rated it 4 stars

Hana Tadiana, this is a great review!

Are you a ŷ librarian? You should be and if not you can apply here: /about/apply...

If you are a librarian you can click on the EDIT DETAILS link under the introduction and change the wording. Go for it!


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Thanks, Hana! And yes, maybe I will apply to become a librarian. The thought has crossed my mind once or twice before. :)


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Lady Wesley has saved us from the craziness of the original blurb I quoted above. :)


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ Much better!:) Although I'm not a fan of the word spinster.


QNPoohBear Agree 100%! Have you read Black Sheep? Abby and Miles are similar to Venetia and Damarel. Though you have to put up with her silly teenage niece. (Not looking forward to that stage at all).


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ I read Black Sheep 10 or 15 years ago but I didn't find it very memorable. I do remember being kind of irritated with the self-sacrificing heroine. I may give that one a reread sometime, though, to see if it works better for me the second time around, like Venetia did. :)


Lady Wesley Tadiana wrote: "I read Black Sheep 10 or 15 years ago but I didn't find it very memorable. I do remember being kind of irritated with the self-sacrificing heroine. I may give that one a reread sometime, though, to..."

I love Black Sheep; Miles Calverleigh is so dryly funny, and the scene where he and Abigail first meet is priceless. The audio version is okay, except that the narrator is Barbara Leigh-Hunt, whom I first encountered as Lady Catherine deBourgh in P&P (1995 version). I found that distracting, and she really has an "old" sounding voice, which was fine for Miles's growl but not for Abigail.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ I've never been an audio book person; I just like the printed word better. I'll definitely put Black Sheep on the "need to reread" list, though! Maybe I should create a new GR shelf for that . . .


Melissa McShane This was a five-star for me the first time and four stars the second--and I have no idea why, because I loved everything about it. Bad mood, probably, but I'd still rank it in my top five Heyer novels.


message 21: by Anne (new) - rated it 5 stars

Anne Oooh I can't wait to read that one! Excellent review, Tadiana! :D


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Thanks, Anne! On my second read, this one jumped to the top of my favorite Heyers. I just appreciate so much that neither of the main characters acts like an idiot. :D However, there is an awful mother-in-law (of Venetia's brother) who kind of takes over a couple of chapters in the middle of the book. It's a good thing she's not around for any longer; she's so unpleasant that I would have had to downgrade the book a star!


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ Oh no, totally disagree - the secondary characters (including Mrs Scorrier) in this book are awesome!


message 24: by Tadiana ✩Night Owl� (last edited Feb 13, 2015 08:38PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ ***Carol*** wrote: "Oh no, totally disagree - the secondary characters (including Mrs Scorrier) in this book are awesome!"

I found Mrs. Scorrier fascinating in a horrible way, but I think reading more than two or three chapters with her in them would have put me over the edge, kind of like with the character of Tiffany in The Nonesuch. Otherwise delightful book, but I downgraded it for Too. Much. Tiffany.


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ I had The Nonesuch at 4* because not enough plot basically.Still loved it, but wasn't 5*.
Tiffany was fascinating in her awfulness.


message 26: by Anne (new) - rated it 5 stars

Anne Tadiana wrote: "Thanks, Anne! On my second read, this one jumped to the top of my favorite Heyers. I just appreciate so much that neither of the main characters acts like an idiot. :D However, there is an awful mo..."

Oh my, I'll keep that in mind then, thanks for the warning ;) So glad the H/h are sensible people though, we need more of those!


Nancy I have to put a plug in for The Grand Sophy. I love a managing female lead with a good heart :)


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Nancy wrote: "I have to put a plug in for The Grand Sophy. I love a managing female lead with a good heart :)"

That's an excellent book!


Pamela Shropshire Great review! Exactly how I feel about Venetia on my first reading. Frederica has long been my fav Heyer, but now Venetia is right up there, too.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Pamela wrote: "Great review! Exactly how I feel about Venetia on my first reading. Frederica has long been my fav Heyer, but now Venetia is right up there, too."

Frederica is one of my favorites too! I just read it about a year ago for the first time. But I'm sure it won't be the last time. :)


QNPoohBear Oh yes I agree about the comment about the orgy. Georgette Heyer is defining orgy as a wild, drunken party attended by gentlemen and lightskirts. The neighborhood gossip about Damerel's last visit to the estate is all about his "orgy" as it happened according to the servants. It sounds like a Hollywood movie frat party or just another night with Prinny and crew.


Georgie-who-is-Sarah-Drew Thanks for your explanation of the "orgy" comment, which has always niggled at me.


Rebekah I only wish we could have been present when Conrad comes home.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Georgie-who-is-Sarah wrote: "Thanks for your explanation of the "orgy" comment, which has always niggled at me."

You're welcome! Figuring this out helped me too because it was really bugging me. :)


message 35: by Shreya (new)

Shreya I have a soft spot for rakish lords and intelligent ladies. I'm 25 and I'm going to live vicariously through Venetia 😆
Fantastic review as always ! 👍


Teresa Have only started it Tadiana and liking it already.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ I still need to pull out my copy and start rereading it with the group. I'm looking forward to it!


Teresa Great reading with the group. I didn't like it the first time I read it. The second time I thought, 'this isn't half bad' so hoping this time it the charm:) I love Heyer but I've found I appreciate them a lot more since I started reading them with the group.


message 39: by Karishma (new) - added it

Karishma I love this book <3


Bookworman This is absolutely my favorite Heyer book for all the reasons you so wonderfully expressed in your review.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ Bookworman wrote: "This is absolutely my favorite Heyer book for all the reasons you so wonderfully expressed in your review."

You have very good taste in books! :D


Susan in Perthshire Tadiana - what a fabulous review of Venetia. I totally and absolutely agree with every one of your comments and with your overall analysis.
My interpretation of the ‘orgy� remark is the same as yours. This one is indeed the most adult and sexiest of her books and all achieved without any obvious sex. Don’t get me wrong, I like a bit of well written erotica but I am also delighted by Heyer’s ability to depict adult love and desire as well as she does here. I have lost count of the number of times I have read Venetia; it never fails to entertain and delight me.


message 43: by Tandie (new) - added it

Tandie I think Heyer meant orgies as parties with drinking and gambling with people of loose morals, not actual sex parties. She mentions orgies quite often in Venetia, and sex parties don’t exactly fit into her writing style. What do you think of that idea?


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ That definitely could be the case. I think some research into the meaning of "orgy" during Regency times is called for. :)


QNPoohBear I did do the research. The Prince of Wales held orgies in Hampshire, near Jane Austen's home. They were wild, expensive bachelor parties basically: lots of free flowing alcohol, food, loose women and partying at the home owner's expense, whether they wanted to host the party or not. Prinny shows up with his entourage and invites his latest mistress and you can't really say no, now can you?


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ QNPoohBear wrote: "I did do the research. The Prince of Wales held orgies in Hampshire, near Jane Austen's home. They were wild, expensive bachelor parties basically: lots of free flowing alcohol, food, loose women a..."

Hah, okay, I’m going back to the theory I put in my review. :)


Julie Lovely review, Tadiana. This was and remains my favourite Heyer!


QNPoohBear The journalists are using the word orgy to mean excess. Other writers are using it to mean what everyone thinks it means. Reportedly even Prinny's wife, Queen Caroline, had "orgies."


Aloha4Ever Totally agree with your take on the “orgies�. Man, I love this book!


message 50: by Laura Tenfingers (new)

Laura Tenfingers I haven't had much luck with Heyer but I'm going to go read this now! Great review, Radians.


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